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Labour isn't working - Thread 18

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TheNuthatch · 10/11/2025 09:16

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

Bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 21:02

Legolava · 11/11/2025 20:51

So wait. All of this budget. Is it just Reeves and Starmer hoping they don’t get overthrown by their own party. Only because I am really at a loss. Not only will the budget end badly, it will make them unelectable when it leads to civil unrest and the bond markets kicking off.

They can’t get welfare reform through, in fact, they want to increase it. They have destroyed productivity and the proof of that is there now. The jobs market is terrible since the last budget. Unemployment figures are going up. Yet they want more taxes on jobs and increased welfare.

They are both finished and it feels like they are trying to appease the party. RR is far from untouchable now that unemployment data is out.

Yes, nailed it.

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Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 21:02

Legolava · 11/11/2025 20:51

So wait. All of this budget. Is it just Reeves and Starmer hoping they don’t get overthrown by their own party. Only because I am really at a loss. Not only will the budget end badly, it will make them unelectable when it leads to civil unrest and the bond markets kicking off.

They can’t get welfare reform through, in fact, they want to increase it. They have destroyed productivity and the proof of that is there now. The jobs market is terrible since the last budget. Unemployment figures are going up. Yet they want more taxes on jobs and increased welfare.

They are both finished and it feels like they are trying to appease the party. RR is far from untouchable now that unemployment data is out.

Here’s the thing.

The reaction from the markets, and the back benches/parts of the electorate are at polar ends of the spectrum.

Reeves wants to focus on the former, but is unable to in isolation. She really is caught between a boulder and something equally as hard.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 21:07

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 21:02

Here’s the thing.

The reaction from the markets, and the back benches/parts of the electorate are at polar ends of the spectrum.

Reeves wants to focus on the former, but is unable to in isolation. She really is caught between a boulder and something equally as hard.

Yep absolutely

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TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 21:10

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 21:02

Here’s the thing.

The reaction from the markets, and the back benches/parts of the electorate are at polar ends of the spectrum.

Reeves wants to focus on the former, but is unable to in isolation. She really is caught between a boulder and something equally as hard.

Reeves should have thought of that last year shouldn't she. She screwed over business with a smirk, borrowed a fuck tonne of money, spaffed it, and here we are.
She's made her bed, so has 003.5

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Julen7 · 11/11/2025 21:11

In a way I am looking forward to the budget, hope that isn’t a crass thing to say but want to see the reaction that I know is waiting 😬

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Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 21:17

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 21:10

Reeves should have thought of that last year shouldn't she. She screwed over business with a smirk, borrowed a fuck tonne of money, spaffed it, and here we are.
She's made her bed, so has 003.5

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100%…

I have to say, this evening, I am feeling most gruntled with the way matters are shaping up.

Schadenfreude - such a wonderful word.

Come on Kemi - go for the jugular.

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 21:18

Julen7 · 11/11/2025 21:11

In a way I am looking forward to the budget, hope that isn’t a crass thing to say but want to see the reaction that I know is waiting 😬

I know what you mean about the reaction. Feels like just desserts time for Starmer and Reeves.

It also feels like a boil that needs to be lanced.

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upseedaisee · 11/11/2025 21:19

CruCru · 11/11/2025 20:54

That is going to cost loads. And, realistically, it was in the news (even if increasing the pension age to become equal with men was unwelcome).

As a WASPI pensioner, I was one left high and dry. I had to fund a number of extra years NICs on top of what I would be paying to get a full pension. I do however agree with parity between the sexes, it has been a long time coming.

Julen7 · 11/11/2025 21:22

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 21:18

I know what you mean about the reaction. Feels like just desserts time for Starmer and Reeves.

It also feels like a boil that needs to be lanced.

Yes exactly. Let’s get it over with.

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 21:25

WHY IS REEVES FACING SUCH A BIG FISCAL HOLE

FT

Policy choices

Analysts stress that an important driver of the deterioration of the public finances will be policy choices made by Labour — on top of economic factors. “When the OBR breaks this down into policy measures and the underlying forecast, there will be a big chunk in the policy pile,” said Ben Zaranko, associate director at the IFS. “You could get comfortably into double-digit figures.” The government’s U-turn on welfare reforms, together with its decision to abandon planned cuts to winter fuel payments, will add more than £6bn to borrowing relative to the OBR’s March forecast.

The possible removal of the two-child benefit cap, as signalled by Reeves on Monday, could cost another £3.5bn. The two-child limit, introduced by the then Conservative government in 2017, restricts certain benefits to two children in a family, and many Labour MPs are keen to remove it.

Reeves has also made it clear she wants to take action to lower household costs — in contrast with the past year, where sharp rises in regulated utility prices were a source of inflationary pressure. Cutting VAT on energy bills or scrapping the environmental levy added to bills at present to help fund energy efficiency improvements could be routes to achieving this.

Reeves may be able to announce some spending cuts to offset such giveaways: on welfare, for example, by acting on plans to replace current contributory benefits with a new, time-limited form of “unemployment insurance”.

Whitehall efficiency drives could also yield small amounts, and Reeves could pencil in bigger savings of some £5bn if she announced a freeze on day-to-day spending for 2029-30 — a period not covered by plans set out in the spending review this year.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/11/2025 21:26

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 16:09

The number of people receiving jobless benefits without having to look for work has climbed above four million for the first time.

Figures published by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) show the number of Universal Credit (UC) claimants with no requirement to look for a job rose to 4.03 million in October.

There should never be

‘no requirement to look for work ‘

Even when I volunteered, in my student days, at a mental health unit for people severely impaired they worked. I was there to help them in that work

So why do some people not have a requirement to work

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 21:29

DrPrunesqualer · 11/11/2025 21:26

There should never be

‘no requirement to look for work ‘

Even when I volunteered, in my student days, at a mental health unit for people severely impaired they worked. I was there to help them in that work

So why do some people not have a requirement to work

I agree with you.

Sorry, otherwise I do not know the answer to your question but I am sure there is someone more knowledgeable.

Thx.

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 21:38

GUARDIAN

It has been a real twist to see so many now with an appetite for regime change. They are not – by and large – people who came into politics to practise coups, but have instead been driven to the brink by the party’s woeful standing and their own very thin majorities. As one Labour MP said: “They could try not being paranoid and just try being better.”

EmeraldRoulette · 11/11/2025 21:48

There are definitely people who can't work though

I must be missing something in these comments - are we taking that as a given and questioning something else?

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 21:57

I'm assuming that no requirements to find work means those on benefits for sickness or incapacity.

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TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 21:59

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 21:38

GUARDIAN

It has been a real twist to see so many now with an appetite for regime change. They are not – by and large – people who came into politics to practise coups, but have instead been driven to the brink by the party’s woeful standing and their own very thin majorities. As one Labour MP said: “They could try not being paranoid and just try being better.”

I was surprised reading that article from Elgot. Seems like some, including Mahmood, Phillipson and Rayner are taking soundings.

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Julen7 · 11/11/2025 22:05

Current headlines in Mail online (sorry) absolutely crucifying Starmer and Reeves. 1000 jobs a day being lost under Reeves, unemployment now at 5 million.

CaveMum · 11/11/2025 22:13

Dear Lord, the BBC article suggests Ed Milliband may be ramping up his aspirations again. And Louise Haigh? The one forced to resign after committing fraud?! That’s one hell of a brass neck!

Labour isn't working - Thread 18
Parsley4321 · 11/11/2025 22:14

@TheNuthatch the very best of Christmas gifts I only wish there was an advent JRM
one question that has always puzzled me why the fuck is Alistair Campbell still given air time after his attack on Dr David Kelly on Question Time ? No wonder he gets depression there I said it

redange · 11/11/2025 22:38

This is very serious for the country: This is not a time to be 'Laughing' we are on the 'Abyss' of a terrible situation.

The best case scenario now is a Caretaker Prime minister 'Cooper' with a General Election in May: Emergency Government with Talented Tories involved with the Government even if not Elected. The likes of Katy Lam Ester Mcvey Jacob Rees Mogg And Kemi herself need to be onboard in a dire situation.

it is evident now with the row back on WASPI women and the 2 Child Cap dropped that Reeves has no given up any intention to at least operate under any financial rules of creditably. How can WASPI Women no Cap on Child Benefit and Winter Fuel Allowance to Pensioners under £35KPA be afforable, when the Black Hole has gone from £22 Billion to £75-90 Billion !

EmpressoftheMundane · 11/11/2025 22:42

BBC is busy claiming that they are good, Trump is bad therefore their wilful dishonesty is irrelevant.

Looks like their October 7th reporting playbook. Palestinians good, Israelis bad, therefore unprovoked attack on civilians irrelevant.

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redange · 11/11/2025 22:44

Reeves has given up any intention of giving a Budget Speech that can be viewed as financially acceptable by the Markets.

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 22:52

Julen7 · 11/11/2025 22:05

Current headlines in Mail online (sorry) absolutely crucifying Starmer and Reeves. 1000 jobs a day being lost under Reeves, unemployment now at 5 million.

Tomorrow's front pages are awful for Labour. Job losses, benefits up and moves to oust Starmer. Streeting has been named as the main enemy and he's doing the media rounds tomorrow.

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EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 22:53

Times Radio being pretty blunt re Labour not understanding business, the shocking figure for out of work, the debt.

I loathe Starmer and Reeves for smirking and treating everyone so badly but it’s not looking good.

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