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Labour isn't working - Thread 18

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TheNuthatch · 10/11/2025 09:16

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

Bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 16:32

SpaceRaccoon · 11/11/2025 16:19

Green deputy leader Rachel Millward is leading opposition to the housing of 600 asylum seekers in her local area - despite her party's vow to 'welcome' migrants.

Funnily enough, the "Refugees Welcome" SNP have reacted in the same manner about the upcoming use of the Inverness barracks to house asylum seekers; SNP councillor Raymond Bremner is not happy, and neither is Lib Dem MP Angus MacDonald:
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/politics/6885233/inverness-mp-asylum-seekers-cameron-barracks-opposition/

Reminds me a bit of when Ron DeSantis sent 50 migrants to Martha's Vineyard...

I’d be interested to see how the refugees welcome part of Wales would react to barracks. And anyone on here really who has said the same.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 16:35

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 15:49

Yeh I think that was a mistake from Reform, but it doesn't really matter if Labour are going to abolish it anyway. Reform can then campaign to tighten the criteria, so its a win win for them.
Perhaps they were trying to borrow from the family values thing that worked so well for Trump? I think Farage recognises that it didn't land well as he mentioned it again at his latest speech, reiterating that Reform's policy was only for working parents.

That’s interesting, I think that might have been a change. If it’s work only then slightly better.

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 16:44

SpaceRaccoon · 11/11/2025 16:19

Green deputy leader Rachel Millward is leading opposition to the housing of 600 asylum seekers in her local area - despite her party's vow to 'welcome' migrants.

Funnily enough, the "Refugees Welcome" SNP have reacted in the same manner about the upcoming use of the Inverness barracks to house asylum seekers; SNP councillor Raymond Bremner is not happy, and neither is Lib Dem MP Angus MacDonald:
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/politics/6885233/inverness-mp-asylum-seekers-cameron-barracks-opposition/

Reminds me a bit of when Ron DeSantis sent 50 migrants to Martha's Vineyard...

Refugees welcome, as long as they're not housed near me. Funny how they change their tune when it's their own community affected.

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TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 16:48

I've just watched a bit of Lammy in the commons. God he is so bad!
How is someone of that calibre anywhere near the levers of power? He's embarrassing.

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justasking111 · 11/11/2025 16:55

RelativePitch · 11/11/2025 14:40

@justasking111 the child benefit cap they're talking about lifting isn't the old style family allowance. It's the amount of children you can claim for tax credits/ universal credit which can bring in £1000s more in support for a family.

Ah sorry I'm so out of touch. It's six years since I lost the old family allowance and know nothing about the other benefits.

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 17:00

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 16:48

I've just watched a bit of Lammy in the commons. God he is so bad!
How is someone of that calibre anywhere near the levers of power? He's embarrassing.

He really is - and when he gets called out or is placed under a little bit of pressure, he either loses his rag or folds like a piece of paper.

What a wally.

EmeraldRoulette · 11/11/2025 17:08

I have been paying no attention to the child benefit thing, but I also thought it was the weekly child benefit payment @justasking111 .

Since the Tories left office, I find myself surprised at how generous they seem to have been.

Do I need to take a closer look at the thing with the Green MP objecting to the barracks for asylum seekers? Are there other reasons she could be objecting to this?

I'm just asking because the amount of crazy I've seen reported about my own area is off the scale and I'm not even living in a flashpoint, just an area where it's a small issue.

So being suspicious of the press in general, I am wondering if this story is being twisted in some way? Is it really just as simple as she's okay with any kind of asylum seeker accommodation, but not near her?

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 17:12

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame

I have no doubt he is saying that to gain votes and then will U turn as suits if he gains power.

“A council led by Reform UK is planning to double council tax on second homes even though the policy has been described as “extortion” and “madness” by the party’s leader Nigel Farage. North Northamptonshire, one of nine councils across England that Reform took control of at local elections in May, is set to vote on Tuesday on a proposal to introduce a 100 per cent council tax premium on second homes from April 2027.”

And if anyone reports my post, I see that Reform has been discussed quite liberally today.

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 17:16

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Labour isn't working - Thread 18
NoWordForFluffy · 11/11/2025 17:32

Evening!

I'm tired after my day as a non-working person. Office days are loooooong. You'd think there'd be a let up, considering my non-working status. 😩

I imagine that Farage was testing the water with his 2 child cap comments, hence then changing his tune the next time he mentioned it.

I'm opposed to the cap being removed at all. Bloody Labour are insane to scrap the cap at the same time as raising taxes. The press will be fun post-budget.

I'm at a client meeting in London the day after the budget. I imagine there will be words had after a few drinks!

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 17:35

The writer is the Gregory and Ania Coffey Professor of Economics at Harvard University and formerly First Deputy Managing Director and Chief Economist of the IMF.

The United Kingdom has a fiscal problem, and it is not (only) what you think it is. Much of the debate focuses on sluggish growth and high debt, but there is another issue — one that policymakers can fix far more quickly: excessive fiscal policy uncertainty.

An important driver of this is the repeated assessments of fiscal “headroom” by the Office for Budget Responsibility and the expectation — by markets, commentators and politicians — that any projected gap five years out must be closed immediately through tax rises or spending cuts. This cycle creates unnecessary policy uncertainty and market instability which has been shown to be costly, significantly reducing industrial production, tightening financial conditions and weakening sterling.

As chief economist of the IMF, I oversaw global growth projections. I value the information they provide, but I would be wary of treating any five-year forecast as precise. Economic projections are inherently uncertain. To then reassess taxes and spending every six months based on these long-range estimates introduces volatility into fiscal policy, volatility that markets can amplify.

Reeves could perhaps take note (hint: she won’t, of course).

Edit: BTW, the fiscal crisis the UK faces has a name: LABOUR.

SpaceRaccoon · 11/11/2025 17:39

I had a thought (it only hurt a bit though) - I can kind of understand why Kemi is holding off with a specific economic policy as you'd need a crystal ball to know what our economic position will be in 3.5 years time; if she commits to anything now and has to by necessity change it, the opposition will capitalise on it and accuse her of u-turning.

However she is reiterating cutting spending and lowering taxes, which is good enough for me if she manages to stick to it.

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 18:11

I’ve gone extremely glitchy again - is this because my posts are being reported??

EmeraldRoulette · 11/11/2025 18:13

@Frankenchino no I constantly have issues with glitches

The huge M&S advert is taking over at the moment.

@SpaceRaccoon i'd like to see the Tories release an alternative budget to show what they would like to do now

These prisoners, I'm hearing that the information was sent to Robert Jenrick "in error". I presume that someone having a laugh. Or they're feeling despairing and didn't want to send a puppy eyes email to Kemi.

CruCru · 11/11/2025 18:19

At one point I thought Rachel Reeves would be the next senior Labour politician to go … but now I think it might be Lammy.

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 18:19

@EmeraldRoulette Thanks! Is it Mumsnet though? I feel they have vastly increased their ad input.,.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 18:22

CruCru · 11/11/2025 18:19

At one point I thought Rachel Reeves would be the next senior Labour politician to go … but now I think it might be Lammy.

I’m not sure they can lose any more without a serious problem for them

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 18:26

CruCru · 11/11/2025 18:19

At one point I thought Rachel Reeves would be the next senior Labour politician to go … but now I think it might be Lammy.

Unlike some of his ‘guests’, if Lammy goes AWOL, I am not confident anyone would order a search party.

Presumably he would take a cab (to go fishing).

CruCru · 11/11/2025 18:27

Are Labour feeding the newspapers stories that make Lammy look bad to take some of the pressure off Reeves?

InterestQ · 11/11/2025 18:57

I think Lammy might be deployed to make SKS look good on his return.

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 18:57

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 18:26

Unlike some of his ‘guests’, if Lammy goes AWOL, I am not confident anyone would order a search party.

Presumably he would take a cab (to go fishing).

😂😂

A "fucking french" cab, to use Lammy speak.

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EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 18:59

I feel like that bash the trees down tuxedo jolly goes for a really long time. Something about it starting today. I thought it had been going for about a week already.

TheNuthatch · 11/11/2025 19:01

InterestQ · 11/11/2025 18:57

I think Lammy might be deployed to make SKS look good on his return.

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Ikr.
Let's hope Starmer stays fit and healthy. Lammy is deputy PM. Can you imagine if he had to step in! Shudder.

Rayner was bad enough, but she would have beaten Lammy on Mastermind 😂

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Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 19:02

”Anti-immigrant sentiment has risen across Europe. But EU countries are still looking for labour from abroad. The central and eastern European economies that used to export labour on a large scale to the rest of the EU now want to import employees from outside it. The UK is excluding itself from this competition. A centre-left UK party is following a less liberal policy on economic migrants than a rightwing Italian one. Successive prime ministers have piled up so many political dishonesties on immigration that the British public disbelieves much of what any government says.”

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