Labour isn't working - Thread 18

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Bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Yes, in some respects, she doesn't have to make the argument too loudly yet. Labour will be making it for them as the push blindly ahead and lay too much pressure on businesses and working people and throw this ever more precarious financial eco-system off balance.

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Inflation high
Unemployment rising
Taxes going up
Spending going up
Immigration measures not effective

Bad times for the UK
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Just listening to TRIP. Alistair Campbell is really something. I don’t know if he is deluded, or such a true believer that he thinks he can gaslight the rest of us.

Oh he’s a true believer - the only thing I've really heard him criticise is education (lack of) policies. Ed Balls is a lot more critical despite his wife!

I couldn’t do it. I have to approach podcasts with caution 😬

So 180k job losses since October budget. Were these all inevitable due to history - hard case to make!

UK unemployment rate rises to 5% — highest level since pandemic

www.thetimes.com/article/b8b44ff1-147f-4802-997b-bb8bf59c895a?shareToken=b34824afef90a9cd93851e1d8add4db4

I couldn’t resist finding out what he would say regarding the BBC. Rory seems intellectually clever, but weak minded…he just lets Campbell pull him around. He seems desperate to please him. It’s just weird.

I stick with TRIP, maybe I’m a glutton for punishment! I started listening for Rory - I think he could have been a good Leader in the pre-Boris era but he’s now getting a bit desperate! Alastair: I find it interesting to get his take on certain things but he is very much a True Believer and would probably eat his bagpipes rather than admit how much of a shambles this lot have been so far.

On a personal note, we’re now getting rumblings within racing that the proposed removal of business rate relief could send some training yards over the edge - estimates that it could cost the industry £10million.

Currently 90% of training yards qualify for relief but from next year it looks like we won’t qualify as part of the “leisure” sector. The average impact looks like being £7k per business and as most training yards are small family run businesses already operating on a knife edge, it could be a disaster.

Actually I hooked into one dh was listening to, IEA Institute of Economic Affairs.

A really good bit on Hayekian economics. Of course it’s one side of an argument so to speak but it’s so refreshing to listen to theory without political mud slinging and childish insults.

Rory S is also the one with qualms on defence spending, what it’s being spent on, what it leads to. However he thinks RR is talentless so he’s got that going for him!

Rory always strikes me as someone born out of time. Also you'd think all that trekking around Afghanistan would have toughened him up.

Hi all,
Good to see this thread get back on topic. We understand that the line between derailment is a fine one but please do leave it to us to discern where it lies. Thanks for your reports.

Sorry -I know this is a serious post, but just chortling at the thought of A choking on his bagpipes 😂)

@SpaceRaccoon did you read the book? I got ooh 1/3 of the way and I suspect his dad had minders with him as he wasn’t on his own - must read whole thing as perhaps that’s unfair!

That would rather explain it! I haven't, I'll add to to the list though and give him a fair chance.
I'll not be reading anything of Campbell's though.

tps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15275901/Asylum-seekers-given-100-week-leave-taxpayer-funded-hotels-live-family-friends-UK.html

So £600 a Month for Asylum Seekers, £400 a Month UC for someone who has paid NI contributions.

How disgusting !

I do think he’s interesting, but, as with many other media groups and journalists, his failure to show any understanding of the other side of the school VAT argument damaged my opinion of him.

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It doesn't surprise me. I know that in Glasgow a lot of refugees, once their asylum is granted, are getting housed ahead of locals as well as they're deemed in greater need.
Now, whatever one's views on that, it breeds a huge amount of resentment to those at the sharp end who see what they perceive as queue jumping.

Not just perceive /it is queue jumping.

At the risk of being called a reform whatever, I saw this, this morning on my local news bulletin - Edinburgh has a bad homelessness crisis as it is:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/edinburgh-hit-250-rise-refugee-36221240#

Labour MP’s threaten to vote down budget hikes on working people*

*ahem, define working people again, please.

Honestly I don't think being wary about aspects of asylum/immigration is Reform-coded - look at Jenrick, Braverman etc. Hell, look at Mike Tapp and he's Labour.

See also the late Frank Field.