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Labour isn't working - Thread 18

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TheNuthatch · 10/11/2025 09:16

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

Bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Ratafia · 11/11/2025 00:03

SpaceRaccoon · 10/11/2025 14:51

I think an advantage of any party with a long history is there are highly experienced or talented former MPs, or current MPs with previous front bench experience, who have a wealth of expertise and experience to offer.

Just a great pity Labour isn't currently availing themselves of said expertise.

God I miss Sunak.

Every. Day.

Edited

How can anyone miss Sunak?

Remember Eat out to Help spread Covid?
Raising national insurance rates and disproportionately harming small businesses?
His fine for breaking the government's own rules?
His refusal to turn up to vote against Johnson even when Johnson had been found to have deliberately misled the public and Parliament about his parties etc during lockdown?
The utter nonsense of the Rwanda proposal and the hundreds of millions he wasted on failing to deport anyone?
The plans to bring in compulsory military service for 18 year olds?
The total failure to meet minor climate change targets?
All those incredibly expensive (and polluting) plane trips he used to take?
The way fuel and other costs went through the roof?
Leaving the D Day 80th anniversary event early for a TV interview?
The five pledges he never came close to delivering on?
The failure to get any sort of grip on the economic mess his party caused?

You really want all that back?

redange · 11/11/2025 00:20

I see the accounts department at Labour HQ will be busy with all the chits going in ! Labour people never do anything without paid expenses. it also must be 'Double' time at Midnight !

strawberrybubblegum · 11/11/2025 02:40

redange · 11/11/2025 00:20

I see the accounts department at Labour HQ will be busy with all the chits going in ! Labour people never do anything without paid expenses. it also must be 'Double' time at Midnight !

It's a bit annoying having to check the name first to decide whether to bother reading. Normally we can just read through the thread.

Do we think they're name changers from the other thread, or just randoms? Wondering whether it's worth mentioning the increase in incursions over there: they've stepped in to ask people to respect the agreement to leave each other alone before.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 03:22

Frankenchino · 10/11/2025 20:21

Let’s see how ReformUK are ‘working’ in Kent…

”The Reform UK-led Kent County Council must 'get a grip' - that's the message from a boss at the Fire Brigades' Union. The comments come amid 'chaos' at the council which has seen a number of councillor suspensions.
Steve Wright, FBU general secretary, said the situation has created a “threat to public safety” as the removals have had an impact on the representation of fire and rescue services in the local authority. The union labelled the “flagship” Reform UK council leader “captain chaos” in a blistering statement.”

Union boss? What a surprise.
The whole country being destroyed by utter incompetence is rather more concerning than a bin fire in a local authority.

strawberrybubblegum · 11/11/2025 04:01

SpaceRaccoon · 10/11/2025 23:05

I'm not au fait with how the original predicted numbers were derived - did they include an assumed percentage of pupils who would stop attending fee paying schools or did they just base it on 100% of parents wearing the increased fees?

The government predicted 3000 children would leave/not enter the private school sector in the 24/25 school year, rising to 14k next year (3%) and eventually 37k (7.5%)

Whether that is correct makes a huge difference to the eventual revenue/cost because when a child is forced out of private, the exchequer not only loses their predicted VAT income, but also has to start paying £8k per year for them: like they do for every other UK child.

More if the child has SEN - which is disproportionately the case for those having to leave, since parents whose children aren't coping in state may push themselves to the limit to pay fees.

There's also a loss of school employment when they have to cut back/close: not only for teachers but for cleaners, groundsmen, caterers etc. The government predicted 100 schools would close eventually: there have already been more than 50 in the first year.

The accepted numbers are:

0% leave - revenue of £1.67bn
5% leave (25k children) - revenue of £0.84 bn
10% leave (50k children) - no financial gain or loss, only the impact on those kids
15% leave (75k children) - £0.83 bn loss
20% leave (100k children) - £1.67 bn loss
25% leave (125k children) - £2.51 bn loss

Note that this number includes children who never start private school - but would have without the tax - as well as those who leave.

Actual behaviour is starting to trickle through now, although it will be a few years before it becomes clear because parents avoid removing children partway through their education.

13K left throughout academic year 24/5 - more than 4 times the government prediction of 3K.

If that continues, they're into break-even at best, and likely a loss - perhaps up to £2.5billion per year loss eventually. Whilst of course her 'fully costed budget' factored in the £1.6 billion she pretended it would raise. Quite the addition to Rachel's black hole. No wonder they're refusing to answer.

strawberrybubblegum · 11/11/2025 04:59

I've posted a request on the other thread for the pro-Labour and anti-Reform spamming to stay over there where it belongs. And copied across the 6 spam comments we've had in the last 8 hours.

I propose a complete lack of engagement, and if it continues we can ask MNHQ to remove and block, since it''s clearly intended to provoke and disrupt.

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 05:09

@strawberrybubblegum

Are you anti freedom of speech? I am not spamming. I’m concerned about the anti immigration/pro reform/pro flags on roundabouts posts that have appeared on this thread. My comments are getting likes and loves. You cannot form an echo
chamber. I’ll contact MNHQ myself for confirmation. I’m always mindful to stay within their guidelines.

I note that the comment I’ve seen removed is the post referring to me as an ‘it’.

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 05:09

strawberrybubblegum · 11/11/2025 04:59

I've posted a request on the other thread for the pro-Labour and anti-Reform spamming to stay over there where it belongs. And copied across the 6 spam comments we've had in the last 8 hours.

I propose a complete lack of engagement, and if it continues we can ask MNHQ to remove and block, since it''s clearly intended to provoke and disrupt.

Edited

This — just simply don’t engage.

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 05:18

@MNHQ

Hi there! I joined this thread as I was concerned about reading posts supporting anti-immigration, pro flags on roundabouts, and a pro reform ethos.
Various posters have ‘bandied together’ trying to remove me from the thread feeling that they have ownership. A poster has referred to me as an ‘it’ - you’ve removed this post. They are encouraging each other to ignore me. They believe I am spamming, but I’m trying to point out that if Labour are not working - then I really don’t like the top alternative in the polls that are being posted.
Thanks and I hope that I am posting within your guidelines.

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 05:46

Article here too. ReformUK flagship council in complete disarray.

“Reform UK's suspension or expulsion of multiple Kent councillors has left a fire service unable to make major spending decisions, a union has said.
Brian Black and Isabella Kemp were chair and vice chair of the Kent and Medway Fire and Rescue Authority before being removed in the wake of leaks from a heated Kent County Council (KCC) meeting.
The Fire Brigades Union (FBU) said the authority, which governs Kent Fire & Rescue Service, was "in disarray" and unable to carry out its full functions as a result.”

I don’t want this happening across the country.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/11/2025 06:41

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 05:09

@strawberrybubblegum

Are you anti freedom of speech? I am not spamming. I’m concerned about the anti immigration/pro reform/pro flags on roundabouts posts that have appeared on this thread. My comments are getting likes and loves. You cannot form an echo
chamber. I’ll contact MNHQ myself for confirmation. I’m always mindful to stay within their guidelines.

I note that the comment I’ve seen removed is the post referring to me as an ‘it’.

Shall I start a Reform thread for you so you post there to your heart's desire?

You are clearly obsessed with Reform, but you seem bashful enough not to want to start one on your own? Just being helpful here.

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 06:47

Troublemaking and deliberately inflammatory behavior are both contrary to MN guidelines.

Upstartled · 11/11/2025 06:47

Morning all.

Did we get the Opinium polling from a couple of days ago? I may have missed it so I apologise in advance if this has already been done;

Reform 33(+3)
Labour 20(-)
Conservative 17 (-1)
Lib Dems 12 (-1)
Greens 11 (-1)

I just thought it seemed significant because it isn't showing this continuing uplift for the Greens that we've seen in the others. And actually shows a drop - although at -1 it isn't very significant -but it isn't up.

MrsMurphyIWish · 11/11/2025 06:51

I do not want a Reform government but in a ward like mine I am seeing an increasing amount of Reform supporters on our local community group. The Reform councillor is very outspoken. There are lots of complaints about our Labour council. I am concerned because of people’s despondency with Labour where I live, they will turn to Reform. It doesn’t mean they - or posters on here - are Reform voters. It means Labour need to look inwards.

Saying all that, I still feel that discussion belongs on another thread as that is more to analyse what Labour can do to improve whereas this is a thread for those with different voting preferences (or lurkers like me who want to learn about other views outside our social bubble).

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 06:52

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

There are so many posts supporting a ReformUK ethos though. Blatantly anti immigration, a YouTube video supporting flags on roundabouts. If Labour are not working, and polls are being posted showing the leading alternative - why should I not comment that the alternative - potentially looming on the horizon - would be an utter disaster for the UK.

What I think is happening here - is an attempt to form an echo chamber.

But I’m getting clarification from Mumsnet. I’ll see what they say. Like I said earlier - they’ve removed one post referring to me as ‘it’ and I don’t think it’s particularly pleasant to ‘gang up’ on a poster and attempt to ‘bully’ them off a thread.

Upstartled · 11/11/2025 06:56

Ben Wallace in the Telegraph today. On the importance of putting defence first.

Today we must also remember that it is appeasement, not strong defence, that leads to war

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/571ceb28c0d63109

Today we must also remember that it is appeasement, not strong defence, that leads to war

We are going to have to stop putting the NHS first every time

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/571ceb28c0d63109

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 06:56

@MrsMurphyIWish

I agree with that, but there are posts on here that are textbook ReformUK policy. I need to be able to say why I don’t agree.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/11/2025 06:56

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 06:52

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

There are so many posts supporting a ReformUK ethos though. Blatantly anti immigration, a YouTube video supporting flags on roundabouts. If Labour are not working, and polls are being posted showing the leading alternative - why should I not comment that the alternative - potentially looming on the horizon - would be an utter disaster for the UK.

What I think is happening here - is an attempt to form an echo chamber.

But I’m getting clarification from Mumsnet. I’ll see what they say. Like I said earlier - they’ve removed one post referring to me as ‘it’ and I don’t think it’s particularly pleasant to ‘gang up’ on a poster and attempt to ‘bully’ them off a thread.

There are posts from people who have different political leanings here.

Yours are the only Reform obsessed ones.

So why don't you scratch that itch and start a thread on your own, you know you want to.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 06:57

Upstartled · 11/11/2025 06:47

Morning all.

Did we get the Opinium polling from a couple of days ago? I may have missed it so I apologise in advance if this has already been done;

Reform 33(+3)
Labour 20(-)
Conservative 17 (-1)
Lib Dems 12 (-1)
Greens 11 (-1)

I just thought it seemed significant because it isn't showing this continuing uplift for the Greens that we've seen in the others. And actually shows a drop - although at -1 it isn't very significant -but it isn't up.

Edited

Thanks for this. I can’t remember what happened that people thought the top one would go down, but it tends to do the opposite when something crops up on here.

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 06:58

Will be interesting to see what happens if Magic Grandad’s fruit and nut party gathers traction.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/11/2025 07:00

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 06:58

Will be interesting to see what happens if Magic Grandad’s fruit and nut party gathers traction.

Too late.

The Greens hoovered up the support there.

Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 07:01

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat

Although ‘gang up’ and bully out the country/school/thread is a pretty prevalent mindset in the UK right now…

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 07:06

Tempted to start a thread to to ask why it is that Labour are so obsessed with constantly talking about Reform, and assuming anyone who is isn’t a deluded Labour supporter is Reform. Utterly bizarre.
I mentioned to someone in RL that good on Trump for taking on the BBC and they chose to assume that I was a Trump supporter. Errr, no, just happy that someone powerful is calling out the BBC bias. But, some people just make very lazy assumptions.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:08

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 07:06

Tempted to start a thread to to ask why it is that Labour are so obsessed with constantly talking about Reform, and assuming anyone who is isn’t a deluded Labour supporter is Reform. Utterly bizarre.
I mentioned to someone in RL that good on Trump for taking on the BBC and they chose to assume that I was a Trump supporter. Errr, no, just happy that someone powerful is calling out the BBC bias. But, some people just make very lazy assumptions.

It’d be a bin fire of a thread and I can imagine it now with the usual attacks. I’d say stick here. The thread will improve I’m sure.

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 07:09

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 11/11/2025 07:00

Too late.

The Greens hoovered up the support there.

Yes temporarily, but the fall in their support (albeit small so far) means those fools people have to go somewhere.

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