Labour isn't working - Thread 18

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

Bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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We'll just keep on calling Labour out. As long as they are in government these threads will continue.
FABL.

There is a lot of talk about Motabilty here is a video about it

I mean this doesn’t scream competent to me…

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3l65xc7_Ks&pp=ygUPbGluZGVuIGtlbWthcmFu

Yeah I missed that bit too.

You should be flattered. It’s showing these threads to be super popular whilst others die a death by a thousand cuts. It is moving so fast now!

Vindictively tax middle class families saving taxpayers money by educating their children privately….while encouraging people who can’t afford to have 1 child to have 3 or 4 children, all paid for by the same middle class families you’re taxing.

What an utter disgrace.

“A senior member of Reform’s Kent team let slip earlier this month that Council Tax rates may have to rise by the maximum of 5%.
This would fly in the face of the promises to actually cut council tax that appeared on Reform leaflets during the local elections. Quite whether the voters of Kent will be willing, in the words of the council leader, to “suck it up” remains to be seen.”

It’s all a little bit backwards.

I am sure many, many people wish it were - to the 4th July, 2024 to be precise…

Meanwhile less income for those net providers means they can’t afford more children

Yep
Sounds like Labour

If I were running a country I'd want to socially engineer the most productive members of society to have more children instead, with tax incentives.

It would make sense

“I’ve been looking at threads about this on line - some of them are barbaric”

He must’ve been on MN 😂😂😂😂

@SpaceRaccoon

How dare you attempt pragmatism and logic? 😉

(They are not natural Labour voters, for a start…)

The FBU aren’t an independent voice though - they’re one of, if not the biggest Labour supporting unions. Although they would be considered to the left of the current Labour Government.

Labour does not know how many extra teachers it has been able to hire as a result of the VAT raid on private schools, it has been revealed.

The Government justified the 20pc raid on private schools on the basis that the £1.7bn a year predicted to have been raised by the end of the decade would be channelled into new teachers for the state sector.

However, this commitment was thrown into doubt in June when Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer suggested that a housing pledge was possible “because” of VAT being levied on school fees.

Now Labour has refused to confirm exactly how many teachers have been hired in state schools with the extra funding from the private sector.

Last week, in response to a Parliamentary question by Lord Lexden, Baroness Smith of Malvern, the education minister, refused to say how many additional teachers had been employed in the state sector.

Lord Lexden had asked: “What is the total sum raised so far by the introduction of VAT on independent school fees, and how many extra teachers have been recruited as a result?”

Baroness Smith’s answer, published on Friday, failed to address the second part of his question. She replied: “HM Treasury published a Tax Information and Impact Note (TIIN) on applying VAT to independent school fees.

“The TIIN estimates that, accounting for the spending implications of any pupil movement into the state sector, the policy is expected to raise £1.7bn per annum by 2029-2030.”

So they simply regurgitated the old prediction then

So no teachers
No additional money because of all the extra kids in state costing £8K/ kid plus

Just another Labour policy then

‘Baroness Smith’s answer, published on Friday, failed to address the second part of his question. She replied: “HM Treasury published a Tax Information and Impact Note (TIIN) on applying VAT to independent school fees.
“The TIIN estimates that, accounting for the spending implications of any pupil movement into the state sector, the policy is expected to raise £1.7bn per annum by 2029-2030.” ‘

The lot of them are Non Player Characters. NPCs… in that they look and sound like a real character, but they have only set responses, or a script. Which they repeat.

The BBC is now reporting itself…

Why on earth don’t they get on and apologise? They may see themselves as the “good guys” and Trump as the “bad guy”, but in this case they were objectively wrong, we can all see it.

It’s ironic to hear them claiming not to be institutionally biased, when they have been banging on for years about key British institutions being institutionally racist snd misogynistic. More fun to criticise than to be accountable.

Why are they only saying that she failed to answer the 2nd part of the question?

She also failed to answer the first part: "What is the total sum raised so far by the introduction of VAT on independent school fees"

She just repeated the predicted revenue, which tells us nothing.

It's very blatant - and even more important than the missing 2nd part about number of teachers - so why was it reported that way?

I'm not au fait with how the original predicted numbers were derived - did they include an assumed percentage of pupils who would stop attending fee paying schools or did they just base it on 100% of parents wearing the increased fees?

@EmpressoftheMundane

It doesn't make any sense to me either

So maybe it's that they're not sorry

Someone told me they felt they got balanced view from a podcast called The News Agents. When I saw who was in charge of it, I was sceptical. Well, their comments on this are astonishing. They got as far as calling it a "mistake".

there was one guy on Triggernometry who actually said he thought it would be a good thing if people have fiddled the election results so Trump would lose. I can't remember who it was.

Well they didn’t ask any schools or the ISC
Or anyone in fact that had access to all the information that would have given insight into
Those on burseries
Those struggling with fees

etc

The ISC if I recall correctly predicted a drop out figure of 3 x the amount guessed by Labour
because Labour did not base theirs on intelligence

It'll be quite funny. To win, he has to show that what he did lowered him in the minds of right-thinking members of the public. The problem he has there is that his reputation was already at rock bottom, so some very lucky lawyers will have a highly enjoyable time demonstrating that he has suffered no damage whatsoever.

If they can use it to demand disclosure of the Epstein files, so much the better.

It's not a question of "if" they fail, it's a question of when. You only have to look at what is happening in Reform-led local councils to know that that is inevitable - to say nothing of looking at and costing their policies. That 33% who fancy trying them out will scream blue murder as soon as they find themselves having to pay through the nose for basic health services.