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Labour isn't working - Thread 18

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TheNuthatch · 10/11/2025 09:16

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

Bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Frankenchino · 11/11/2025 07:10

@LupaMoonhowl

I think the disingenuity is utterly bizarre! Don’t mention Reform but let’s promote every single policy they stand for!

Legolava · 11/11/2025 07:14

Seriously guys STOP engaging you are ruining your own thread. MN was bad enough that the same, hardcore Labour supporters were ruining threads, running everyone off the forum who didn’t support Labour. It was toxic and bullying. This thread was a bit of a haven. Labour supporters are clearly now desperate. No-one apart from a tiny majority are interested anymore. People don’t want to hear the gaslighting of everything is fine. So they are desperately trying to shut down opinion here by repeatedly spamming, tagging and going off topic. Every single time you reply, it’s jumped on and ruining a thread where we can discuss issue with THIS government. Just stop engaging, please. The huge give away so the absolute obsession with Reform. It’s just complete derailing.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:15

Legolava · 11/11/2025 07:14

Seriously guys STOP engaging you are ruining your own thread. MN was bad enough that the same, hardcore Labour supporters were ruining threads, running everyone off the forum who didn’t support Labour. It was toxic and bullying. This thread was a bit of a haven. Labour supporters are clearly now desperate. No-one apart from a tiny majority are interested anymore. People don’t want to hear the gaslighting of everything is fine. So they are desperately trying to shut down opinion here by repeatedly spamming, tagging and going off topic. Every single time you reply, it’s jumped on and ruining a thread where we can discuss issue with THIS government. Just stop engaging, please. The huge give away so the absolute obsession with Reform. It’s just complete derailing.

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LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 07:17

Currently driving through France (well, not literally as I type 😂) and have been really struck by the pride in French produce etc. Many restaurants have explicit posters/notes on the menu etc explictly stating e.g. 95% meat is from the immediate region and 5% from elsewhere in France. Even large supermarkets have much less eg Kenyan brands/imports of out/of/season fruit and veg than in any Tesco in the UK. Can’t see that pride in English farming products (such as still remains) ever being promoted by this government.

NoWordForFluffy · 11/11/2025 07:17

So much for the 'gentleman's agreement' to leave each other's threads alone. Some people have got no fucking manners it seems.

Goading and inflammatory posts (including those which breach an agreement between threads / posters) are in breach of talk guidelines.

I'm with @Legolava, just don't engage.

NoWordForFluffy · 11/11/2025 07:18

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 07:17

Currently driving through France (well, not literally as I type 😂) and have been really struck by the pride in French produce etc. Many restaurants have explicit posters/notes on the menu etc explictly stating e.g. 95% meat is from the immediate region and 5% from elsewhere in France. Even large supermarkets have much less eg Kenyan brands/imports of out/of/season fruit and veg than in any Tesco in the UK. Can’t see that pride in English farming products (such as still remains) ever being promoted by this government.

You need Jeremy Clarkson for that. And we all know what he thinks about this government!

MantleStatue · 11/11/2025 07:18

strawberrybubblegum · 11/11/2025 04:01

The government predicted 3000 children would leave/not enter the private school sector in the 24/25 school year, rising to 14k next year (3%) and eventually 37k (7.5%)

Whether that is correct makes a huge difference to the eventual revenue/cost because when a child is forced out of private, the exchequer not only loses their predicted VAT income, but also has to start paying £8k per year for them: like they do for every other UK child.

More if the child has SEN - which is disproportionately the case for those having to leave, since parents whose children aren't coping in state may push themselves to the limit to pay fees.

There's also a loss of school employment when they have to cut back/close: not only for teachers but for cleaners, groundsmen, caterers etc. The government predicted 100 schools would close eventually: there have already been more than 50 in the first year.

The accepted numbers are:

0% leave - revenue of £1.67bn
5% leave (25k children) - revenue of £0.84 bn
10% leave (50k children) - no financial gain or loss, only the impact on those kids
15% leave (75k children) - £0.83 bn loss
20% leave (100k children) - £1.67 bn loss
25% leave (125k children) - £2.51 bn loss

Note that this number includes children who never start private school - but would have without the tax - as well as those who leave.

Actual behaviour is starting to trickle through now, although it will be a few years before it becomes clear because parents avoid removing children partway through their education.

13K left throughout academic year 24/5 - more than 4 times the government prediction of 3K.

If that continues, they're into break-even at best, and likely a loss - perhaps up to £2.5billion per year loss eventually. Whilst of course her 'fully costed budget' factored in the £1.6 billion she pretended it would raise. Quite the addition to Rachel's black hole. No wonder they're refusing to answer.

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I feel the need to requote this post.

strawberrybubblegum · 11/11/2025 07:19

strawberrybubblegum · 11/11/2025 04:01

The government predicted 3000 children would leave/not enter the private school sector in the 24/25 school year, rising to 14k next year (3%) and eventually 37k (7.5%)

Whether that is correct makes a huge difference to the eventual revenue/cost because when a child is forced out of private, the exchequer not only loses their predicted VAT income, but also has to start paying £8k per year for them: like they do for every other UK child.

More if the child has SEN - which is disproportionately the case for those having to leave, since parents whose children aren't coping in state may push themselves to the limit to pay fees.

There's also a loss of school employment when they have to cut back/close: not only for teachers but for cleaners, groundsmen, caterers etc. The government predicted 100 schools would close eventually: there have already been more than 50 in the first year.

The accepted numbers are:

0% leave - revenue of £1.67bn
5% leave (25k children) - revenue of £0.84 bn
10% leave (50k children) - no financial gain or loss, only the impact on those kids
15% leave (75k children) - £0.83 bn loss
20% leave (100k children) - £1.67 bn loss
25% leave (125k children) - £2.51 bn loss

Note that this number includes children who never start private school - but would have without the tax - as well as those who leave.

Actual behaviour is starting to trickle through now, although it will be a few years before it becomes clear because parents avoid removing children partway through their education.

13K left throughout academic year 24/5 - more than 4 times the government prediction of 3K.

If that continues, they're into break-even at best, and likely a loss - perhaps up to £2.5billion per year loss eventually. Whilst of course her 'fully costed budget' factored in the £1.6 billion she pretended it would raise. Quite the addition to Rachel's black hole. No wonder they're refusing to answer.

Edited

Lots of people claimed that their support for the VAT policy wasn't spite, but instead it was in the hope that the money raised would improve state schools - as Labour initially promised.

But about a year ago - when Labour in their hubris still seemed to believe the VAT polucy would raise money - they reallocated that imaginary funding to house-building.

But now that it's becoming clear - even to them, it seems - that the new tax will indeed cost them money, they seem to have U-turned again and are effectively pushing that loss onto state schools: on another thread it cane out that Labour aren't fully refunding schools the increased employer NI they brought in last budget, which they had promised to do. A NI increase they brought in 'to fill the black hole'.

The poster said that only 85% of the NI increase was refunded. That's a pretty big hit to schools, who spend an average 70-80% of their budget on salaries: some teachers and some NMW.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:19

Unemployment rate jumps to 5%

Rivalled · 11/11/2025 07:19

It’s classic straw man tactics - like any scotsnet thread with anyone who doesn’t think Indy is a good idea will be accused of being a Brit Nat orange order lunatic at some stage…

i’d definitely take Sunak and Hunt over the last year and a half.

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 07:20

MantleStatue · 11/11/2025 07:18

I feel the need to requote this post.

This are incredible interesting and disquieting figures and really do need prominent circulation. Have WhatsApped to a few friends and people are genuinely shocked when it is classified in that very meaningful way.

Rivalled · 11/11/2025 07:20

@EasternStandard that unemployment rate not a surprise given the awful vacancy rates and graduate unemployment numbers…that’s horrible.

NoWordForFluffy · 11/11/2025 07:20

MantleStatue · 11/11/2025 07:18

I feel the need to requote this post.

But yes, the black hole is all due to the Tories! 🙄 They must think we're bloody idiots.

So not only are there no extra teachers, there are far more children than anticipated in the state system. Way to go, Labour, with your spiteful policy.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:21

Rivalled · 11/11/2025 07:20

@EasternStandard that unemployment rate not a surprise given the awful vacancy rates and graduate unemployment numbers…that’s horrible.

It’s really bad. This is Labour’s legacy.

Legolava · 11/11/2025 07:21

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:21

It’s really bad. This is Labour’s legacy.

But they are going to increase taxes on working people…again. Absolute economic suicide.

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 07:22

strawberrybubblegum · 11/11/2025 07:19

Lots of people claimed that their support for the VAT policy wasn't spite, but instead it was in the hope that the money raised would improve state schools - as Labour initially promised.

But about a year ago - when Labour in their hubris still seemed to believe the VAT polucy would raise money - they reallocated that imaginary funding to house-building.

But now that it's becoming clear - even to them, it seems - that the new tax will indeed cost them money, they seem to have U-turned again and are effectively pushing that loss onto state schools: on another thread it cane out that Labour aren't fully refunding schools the increased employer NI they brought in last budget, which they had promised to do. A NI increase they brought in 'to fill the black hole'.

The poster said that only 85% of the NI increase was refunded. That's a pretty big hit to schools, who spend an average 70-80% of their budget on salaries: some teachers and some NMW.

Let’s be clear - this government have declared a state of open hostility with many of us.

Let there be no doubt.

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 07:22

Would be good if these figures could be raised in PM question time and taken up by the opposition.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:23

Legolava · 11/11/2025 07:21

But they are going to increase taxes on working people…again. Absolute economic suicide.

This was entirely predictable. No one wanted to hear it.

So many jobs lost.

Legolava · 11/11/2025 07:24

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:23

This was entirely predictable. No one wanted to hear it.

So many jobs lost.

The last budget is directly responsible for that.

NoWordForFluffy · 11/11/2025 07:24

I'm pretty sure that they are the most clueless, idiotic, spiteful government we've ever had. Whilst Labour have never been known for economic competence, I'm not sure that any previous iteration has been so fucking petty and spiteful. Or corrupt.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:25

Legolava · 11/11/2025 07:24

The last budget is directly responsible for that.

It really is and whatever happens with tax hikes and further slowing of markets is down to their anti growth policies.

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 07:25

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:23

This was entirely predictable. No one wanted to hear it.

So many jobs lost.

One thing that keeps me sane, is that we are getting closer to the day when this government are either dead in the water or out of power.

They are a white dwarf heading for that black hole….

LupaMoonhowl · 11/11/2025 07:26

And more jobs lost = more people on ‘benefits’ so more potential Labour votes bought…and more children growing up thinking that a benefits lifestyle is normal.

EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:28

NoWordForFluffy · 11/11/2025 07:24

I'm pretty sure that they are the most clueless, idiotic, spiteful government we've ever had. Whilst Labour have never been known for economic competence, I'm not sure that any previous iteration has been so fucking petty and spiteful. Or corrupt.

I agree. Blair wasn’t this. I didn’t think they would be the same, another crucifiable view pre GE. This lot are in their own spite and clueless camp.

Damnthetorpedoes · 11/11/2025 07:28

I am currently on the tube enroute to the office,
and when I look around the carriage, I see all these poor worker bees, grafting to pay their tax for the feckless, and envious- and yes; that includes this
government.

It’s sobering stuff.

There will be a reckoning.

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