For all the disabled people who cannot work to the standard of a non-disabled, what would you rather happen to them?

[KeenTaupeDog]

1. work in a job with RAs like access to specialist software, less time but less pay, extra time to finish exams
2. no RAs in their jobs, they have to live off benefits instead
3. no benefits for them, live off charity and family/friends

but why would you not accommodate a colleague if you are willing to look after a family member or friend who is disabled?

Who says I am?

besides, a colleague is not close enough to me to be on anywhere near the same level as a family member.
my only interest in a colleague is that they turn up, do the job and don’t cause me grief

Not everyone receives that level of support. Critical thinking needed here. It’s akin to saying if Stephen Hawking could work, so could every other disabled person. It depends on the disability and the level of support available.

You're still not getting it, these are strangers who owe you nothing. Work is how they pay their bills and they will not take kindly to any interference with it. They are not being selfish, they are just living their lives. You pointing out that people aren't helping you is just life, you calling them selfish for it (to their faces??) is you being rude.
Random acts of true kindness are rare which is why we coo over them on Youtube. Like Prince said, "in this life, you're on your own" (with family and friends if you have them).

So you’re happy for disabled people to do a full day’s work for the equivalent of benefits ? Don’t know where to start with this - ableist and offensive.

And that makes you part of the problem. /

Oh for god sake op, you didn't come back on any of the very valid points raised on your other thread and now you've started a new one

By your logic, why do you support benefits and charities? Why do other people volunteer? Why did the UK create the NHS?

Why not just let all poor people starve? Why not let the poor die of disease they didnt need die from just cos the treatment was expensive?

It's not my logic, it's reality. People support charities and volunteer as the particular cause emotionally appeals to them. Benefits are provided by the government not individuals and the money for it comes from taxes (these are not freely given). The NHS is there to provide a baseline level of healthcare for UK citizens and residents (again funded by tax). People die all the time from diseases not covered by the NHS if they can't magic up funds to get private treatment elsewhere. An individual happily covering your duties at work is not the same thing and will not happen.

Stupid question.

What do you do op to be kind to your colleagues?

I haven't looked but I just know OPs post history is going to be a binfire.

I can't think of anything I'd like to post that wouldn't lead to me getting banned

I have chronic migraine, I can be incapacitated by it 3, 4, 5 plus days a week. It affects my vision, my cognition, my balance and leaves me in agony or totally exhausted. I have been under the care of a specialist neurologist for over a decade, and have tried everything.

It sounds good in theory but how do you make reasonable adjustments for a condition like mine? I've already been told repeatedly that the things I would need are well beyond reasonable adjustments and I can see that. I can also see how people don't want to be saddled with a co-worker who is unpredictably ill more than half of the time.

Even work from home is impossible given that I am unable to use screens for any length of time and need to keep to a fairly rigid routine to prevent my already awful condition from getting worse. So I can't for example work all night if I've been ill all day as that will just cause more migraines. I can't even use my rescue medication a lot of the time as I am limited to 12 tablets a month and I get far more migraines than that, not to mention those I lose from vomiting so much of the time I just have to sit the migraine out, in agony and that can take hours to days, over and over again every month.

Everyone wants the sick and disabled off benefits but nobody wants to be the ones who are left picking up the slack when you are too sick to do your job, I've been subject to horrible bullying myself due to this and have heard others talk of their resentment of colleagues with MS and Cancer.

We aren't figures on a balance sheet, we're real people with struggles many could never imagine.

What nonsense. Just among people I know personally;
A woman who was born with a condition that causes a severe learning disability. She is non verbal, and and wouldn't even understand what a job was, never mind have the ability to do one.
A woman who has a chronic medical condition that causes profound fatigue, extreme sensory sensitivity, and severe chronic pain. She is bedbound for 90 percent of the time, and has to lie in the dark and quiet all day as any sensory input is unbearable.
A man who had a severe traumatic brain injury as a child, and has been left with significant physical and cognitive disabilities, including challenging behaviour.
Can you explain to me how these people could get a full time job?

My dad had what turned out to be a seizure at work. He was told by his boss (it was a manual job) he couldn't return until his doctors had given him the ok. His boss couldn't afford to hire someone to look over him all the time

Going by your logic - Usain Bolt can run 100m in under 10 seconds. Why can't you?

Slight tangent:

I don't have a ND diagnosis but my brain definitely works differently to the norm.

One problem if you see a solution or an improvement is getting it to the right person and have them listen.

I was working my notice at a big teaching hospital when the hospital set up a 'staff suggestions'.

I had a couple of suggestions so I sent them in, one was accepted and implemented, the other wasn't, probably because admin did not know what happens or wards.

It’s clear that reasonable adjustments are fine as long as the disability is not an invisible disability because people need to be able to see a disability to understand or empathise with it otherwise they don’t want to be inconvenienced.

I have seen a lot written on the affects invisible disability has on people all while a teenager in the next road who is in a wheelchair gets a school bus to pick her up on a busy through road in the rush hour, the bus can never park because there’s parking both sides so it’s single file and then puts its hazards on blocking the road for up to 20 minutes while getting ramps out etc twice a day causing inconvenience to hundreds of other motorists while there is a disabled parking bay outside their house but that’s not free because it’s got the wheelchair friendly disabled car they were given to be able to take them in.
I wouldn’t mind but when I have a child with invisible disabilities that is seen as an inconvenience and not anyone else’s problem of course I resent the same from visible disabilities that cause me inconvenience while having to not make my own child affect anyone else.
And yes I can take a longer route at my own inconvenience.

Yes exactly! I can’t see or speak when I have a migraine and half my body has no feeling it’s impossible to do anything at all

Does everyone volunteer and give a high proportion of their income to charities? Do you? Most cannot because we cannot afford to or do not have the time to. In this climate many businesses are struggling to afford employees at all. I an ideal world the government would create an environment where employers could afford to do this. But until they do they are going to need to support people. And ofcourse we're never going to get to a situation where everyone can work.

There are many other people they could be targeting.

My sister following her divorce refuses to work. Her husband left her over 5 years ago but less than ten years ago.

She became accustomed to her lifestyle of her husband being the main breadwinner, and she just did little bit jobs here and there. Her job was really pocket money for her.Whilst he paid for everything.

No, criticism there, if it worked for them but she possibly shouldn't have had an affair - her husband caught her and divorced her.

She's become so used to being a kept woman whilst she does her hobby job for pocket money whilst seeing her bit on the side that she has made no effort to get work since husband left her

Her youngest child is now 10. So I m not sure how long she can carry on claiming universal credit whilst working about 4 hours a week.

Her property was brought out right from the divorce settlement.So she doesn't have a mortgage, just bills. She complained constantly about how she's got no money, but it would all be solved by her getting a job.

I don't know why disabled people are are a target. My sister is fully able bodied. She has no mental or physical conditions.In fact, she's extremely fit and well. Youngest child is hardly a baby anymore. And she is capable of working, and just doesn't want to.

And let's remember, many disabilities lead to other disabilities due to prolonged time in hospital or long term medication use. People don't tend to just have one 'thing', especially now with NHS waiting lists. A family friend contracted MRSA when having her leg amputated. This means her immune system doesn't work properly and when she contracted covid she was in a coma for 3 weeks. She now has limited cognitive function, similar to someone with dementia and she still gets seriously ill regularly. She can't retain information and has limited mobility so adaptations needed for her to do a minimum wage role would be massive.

Extra time? Or just separate room + scribe?

I don't claim they are cheating if they take extra times for exams

I can't blame disabled people for being disabled. I know libertarians who are like "oh if they die. I don't care. They shouldn't have my tax money."

But time taken to complete tasks is relevant. And it is unfair for employers not to be aware of this up front

If someone can only do tasks slowly by comparison to another, they are less productive. Which means either more staff are needed (never going to happen), the business needs to accept lower profits (also never going to happen) or others need to work more - which is what the employer all too often sees as the solution. Instead of getting the hump with the employer, the resentment falls squarely on the colleague with RA