Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

For all the disabled people who cannot work to the standard of a non-disabled, what would you rather happen to them?

168 replies

KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 10:02

  1. work in a job with RAs like access to specialist software, less time but less pay, extra time to finish exams
  2. no RAs in their jobs, they have to live off benefits instead
  3. no benefits for them, live off charity and family/friends
OP posts:
Brefugee · 05/11/2025 13:19

KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 10:02

  1. work in a job with RAs like access to specialist software, less time but less pay, extra time to finish exams
  2. no RAs in their jobs, they have to live off benefits instead
  3. no benefits for them, live off charity and family/friends

why don't you let us know what you are really after.
because after that other thread, this looks alarmingly to me as though you are after us doing your homework/coursework.

MsWilmottsGhost · 05/11/2025 13:20

MewithME · 05/11/2025 13:11

Another day .. another horrible thread about disabled people. Do remember folks, this may be you one day. I was not disabled 5 years ago.

This will descend into the same horrible and depressing conversation it always does.

Hugs Mew

You are absolutely right. A lot of this shit comes from people who think the disabled are someone else and never imagine it might one day be them..

SerendipityJane · 05/11/2025 13:20

Idontneedamigranetoday · 05/11/2025 12:38

If you'd like to see wages cut for disabled people, surely you'd be in favour of abolishing sick pay too?

That's a silly suggestion.

Just fire people if they are selfish or stupid enough to get ill.

BitOutOfPractice · 05/11/2025 13:22

KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 10:02

  1. work in a job with RAs like access to specialist software, less time but less pay, extra time to finish exams
  2. no RAs in their jobs, they have to live off benefits instead
  3. no benefits for them, live off charity and family/friends

I assume you are working as top rocket science / brain surgeon / genius level op and us mere underlings are woefully underperforming.

KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 13:23

BitOutOfPractice · 05/11/2025 13:22

I assume you are working as top rocket science / brain surgeon / genius level op and us mere underlings are woefully underperforming.

What makes you think that? I had RAs at school for exams and people got envious/upset at me having them 'cos they didnt think i deserved them?

OP posts:
KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 13:24

Brefugee · 05/11/2025 13:19

why don't you let us know what you are really after.
because after that other thread, this looks alarmingly to me as though you are after us doing your homework/coursework.

across everything.... people are upset disabled people get to virtual queue at theme parks, extra time for exams, grammarly for work etc.

OP posts:
Brefugee · 05/11/2025 13:24

romdowa · 05/11/2025 11:56

If someone becomes mute in certain situations, then it makes little sense to have them answering the phone does it? Not having that as one of the of duties is a reasonable adjustment, which is their right by law.

the point everyone in OPs other NT bashing thread was that it is fine if those reasonable adjustments don't just pile extra work on the other employees.

The focus being on Reasonable as well as Adjustments.

IMO OP is just being provocative and not open at all to any kind of nuanced thinking

AgnesX · 05/11/2025 13:26

ComfortFoodCafe · 05/11/2025 10:10

“What would you rather happen to them?”
You might as well say lets euthanise them instead!

Don't give the buggers ideas. There's some out there who'd think that'd be a suitable solution 🙄

Digdongdoo · 05/11/2025 13:27

Brefugee · 05/11/2025 13:24

the point everyone in OPs other NT bashing thread was that it is fine if those reasonable adjustments don't just pile extra work on the other employees.

The focus being on Reasonable as well as Adjustments.

IMO OP is just being provocative and not open at all to any kind of nuanced thinking

OP wants what OP wants and for everyone else to enthusiastically facilitate it.

MsWilmottsGhost · 05/11/2025 13:27

The problem in the workplace and out is that everything has been cut to the bone and everyone is struggling right now, and then some people are pointing the finger and saying its all their fault...

Hmm
Orcamajorca · 05/11/2025 13:29

MsWilmottsGhost · 05/11/2025 13:13

This is a silly way to think though, you cannot play disability diagnosis Top Trumps.

Off the top of my head, in my family and friends and colleagues, there are people with brain tumours, breast cancer, bowel cancer, heart defect, asthma, osteoarthritis, fused spine, hearing impairments, visual impairments, several neurodiversities, severe mental health issues, autoimmune diseases, neurological disorders, epilepsy, mobility issues.... I could go on.

Their disabilities may fluctuate in their effects, day to day, month to month, year to year, or change over time getting better or worse. Some needed time managing the conditions, trying and learning what works and makes the difference between barely functional and a normal life, or trying different walking aids to find one that suits, or being prescribed a different medications or physio, reducing some tasks so that energy can be spent on others, or it may simply be support from other people that stops them being house bound.

Some cope better than others and you cannot simply guess from their diagnosis who manages and who needs more support.

How would you rank them in order of most to least deserving of help?

Which ones do you think are most worthy of your sympathy?

How would you even guess which is which when most of them are hidden disabilities?

Well, I have ulcerative colitis and DH has asthma. Both classed as disabilities and impact our lives to some extent. However, my DM is currently going through treatment for stage 4 cancer and her illness absolutely trumps mine and DH’s by a long way.

I think it’s extremely important that disabilities are not dealt with equally. Someone like me, should be supported to work with a reasonable adjustment of more frequent toilet breaks whereas my DM should be fully supported by the state for as long as needed.

arethereanyleftatall · 05/11/2025 13:29

I don’t think it’s your RA op that are making you unpopular at work. It’s your lack of self awareness, lack of critical thought process, lack of ability to listen to other people, lack of ability to consider other people’s needs.

maybe apologise to all the lovely posters who answered this post in good faith, blissfully unaware of your motive.

Brefugee · 05/11/2025 13:31

MewithME · 05/11/2025 13:11

Another day .. another horrible thread about disabled people. Do remember folks, this may be you one day. I was not disabled 5 years ago.

This will descend into the same horrible and depressing conversation it always does.

to be fair to the posters on the other goady thread the OP started - most (not all, but most by a very long chalk) have said they are fully behind reasonable adjustments for people in the workplace. Many pointed out that some reasonable adjustments that are implemented because of requests by disabled employees, could and have been rolled out to everyone because they can benefit everyone.

It was not disability bashing for the most part, and any that did come up was roundly squashed by several posters.

OP did not engage, was not at all understanding of other viewpoints and it basically turned out to be "lalalala i'm not listening all you nasty NT people are jealous".

That thread brought up some very interesting ideas, none of which was remotely like the T4 programme alluded to upthread. Flowers

SerendipityJane · 05/11/2025 13:35

AgnesX · 05/11/2025 13:26

Don't give the buggers ideas. There's some out there who'd think that'd be a suitable solution 🙄

Clearly no German speakers on this thread.

Or historians either.

Brefugee · 05/11/2025 13:35

Digdongdoo · 05/11/2025 13:27

OP wants what OP wants and for everyone else to enthusiastically facilitate it.

the awful thing is the way OP communicates (and that may or may not be related to some ND traits they may have) despite several dozen very supportive posts is so antagonistic that the temptation is to say: no, they should all be put in care homes and fed on thin gruel once a day. Just to see OPs head explode.

Meanwhile in the real world, that thread, and this if it goes the same way, gave some good examples of RAs that could be made and why.

JadziaD · 05/11/2025 13:35

KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 13:16

What unreasonable demands do I have? You don't even know if I have RA or where I work?

You have complained endlesly that NT people are "envious" of you for your RA.

KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 13:36

arethereanyleftatall · 05/11/2025 13:29

I don’t think it’s your RA op that are making you unpopular at work. It’s your lack of self awareness, lack of critical thought process, lack of ability to listen to other people, lack of ability to consider other people’s needs.

maybe apologise to all the lovely posters who answered this post in good faith, blissfully unaware of your motive.

and what is my motive? and why should i apologise? if they think this is a waste of their time, they should leave.

OP posts:
Brefugee · 05/11/2025 13:37

SerendipityJane · 05/11/2025 13:35

Clearly no German speakers on this thread.

Or historians either.

there are. As i noted in a previous post: nobody on this or that other thread have even come close to suggesting anything like what that picture said.

KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 13:37

JadziaD · 05/11/2025 13:35

You have complained endlesly that NT people are "envious" of you for your RA.

what makes you think they are unreasaonable RA
i had extra time for exams and ppl did complain to me abt them

OP posts:
Brefugee · 05/11/2025 13:38

stop going on about it. In this thread you claim to have a job. Your school days are over. Move on. It will mess with your head if you don't let your bitterness at percieved jealousy go.

rockysea · 05/11/2025 13:38

A lot of it is Envy, nobody wants to go to work and naturally resent those who don’t work.
Everybody wants adjustment to make their lives easier and resent those who get that.
Life is hard and nobody wants anyone to seem to have it easier even if they have it harder to begin with and still find it harder despite adjustments.
It’s a case of if I can’t have nor can you and if I have to then so do you.
I know lots of people who view disability as an advantage card but if they were to actually trade places for a time and live day in day out barely able to function in a world that wasn’t created for them, they would soon be switching back but because some of these disabilities are invisible people have a hard time understanding their impact.
We have always lived in a world where the quickest way to the top is to push everyone else down and there’s a lot of satisfaction to be had when you feel superior to someone less able than you in a very competitive world and again resentment builds that they are offered support to reach their potential too.

KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 13:40

rockysea · 05/11/2025 13:38

A lot of it is Envy, nobody wants to go to work and naturally resent those who don’t work.
Everybody wants adjustment to make their lives easier and resent those who get that.
Life is hard and nobody wants anyone to seem to have it easier even if they have it harder to begin with and still find it harder despite adjustments.
It’s a case of if I can’t have nor can you and if I have to then so do you.
I know lots of people who view disability as an advantage card but if they were to actually trade places for a time and live day in day out barely able to function in a world that wasn’t created for them, they would soon be switching back but because some of these disabilities are invisible people have a hard time understanding their impact.
We have always lived in a world where the quickest way to the top is to push everyone else down and there’s a lot of satisfaction to be had when you feel superior to someone less able than you in a very competitive world and again resentment builds that they are offered support to reach their potential too.

thank you

OP posts:
NormasArse · 05/11/2025 13:41

TheLivelyRose · 05/11/2025 10:16

Ask labour. Everyone wanted the evil tories out for the support of disabled people. And well here you are.

To be completely fair, there were many reasons we wanted the Tories out.

KeenTaupeDog · 05/11/2025 13:43

Brefugee · 05/11/2025 13:38

stop going on about it. In this thread you claim to have a job. Your school days are over. Move on. It will mess with your head if you don't let your bitterness at percieved jealousy go.

rockysea · Today 13:38

A lot of it is Envy, nobody wants to go to work and naturally resent those who don’t work.
Everybody wants adjustment to make their lives easier and resent those who get that.
Life is hard and nobody wants anyone to seem to have it easier even if they have it harder to begin with and still find it harder despite adjustments.
It’s a case of if I can’t have nor can you and if I have to then so do you.
I know lots of people who view disability as an advantage card but if they were to actually trade places for a time and live day in day out barely able to function in a world that wasn’t created for them, they would soon be switching back but because some of these disabilities are invisible people have a hard time understanding their impact.
We have always lived in a world where the quickest way to the top is to push everyone else down and there’s a lot of satisfaction to be had when you feel superior to someone less able than you in a very competitive world and again resentment builds that they are offered support to reach their potential too.

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread