For all the disabled people who cannot work to the standard of a non-disabled, what would you rather happen to them?

[KeenTaupeDog]

1. work in a job with RAs like access to specialist software, less time but less pay, extra time to finish exams
2. no RAs in their jobs, they have to live off benefits instead
3. no benefits for them, live off charity and family/friends

Having a hidden disability doesn’t make it any less valid. Each individual should be supported as needed to be able to work.

Wow! This is quite a narrow minded post. I am one of ‘those people’ & I absolutely can work to a standard that is in excess of the required but need RA. I am quite horrified to read that in one of your options, I would have less pay! Where has this question come from?

What are RAs?

If a person with learning disabilities is forced to work and makes a mistake because they aren’t able to comprehend instructions properly who do you hold responsible for their mistakes? especially if it was dangerous or causes public complaint or costs the company money and the employee knows they aren’t competent but are made to take the job?

@crackofdoom, I totally agree that a view that a ND individual can never be the best person for the job is absolute bullshit.
Also, that we can't squander talent in our workforce & society in general.
BUT - the whole model that businesses should only pursue profit and not worry about anything else (workforce, environment, customers, etc) has royally fucked up society.

@rockysea - same as any other employee, if theyre told to do something they cannot safely manage then that's on the manager. Being disabled isn't relevant.

Do you need a second thread about this same topic OP?

Your other thread shows you aren't willing to listen to viewpoints and have an entrenched belief that everybody resents reasonable adjustments because they're jealous. This thread isn't going to change your mind so why bother?

Reasonable Adjustments. I have a reasonable adjustment to work from home full time because of my arthritis.

I have a chronic illness that means I can't work full time due to debilitating fatigue. If I try to work full time I end up bed bound and unable to function at all.

What the fuck do you think people like me should do then?

What do you mean by "work to the same standard"?
I have a friend who is blind and works as a lawyer.
He does everything that anyone else in his job does, with additional software and a PA (I'm not completely sure if the PA is more specialist but everyone else has a PA/paralegal/access to the paralegal department).
He might be able to do a wide variety of legal jobs but I'm also sure some wouldn't be possible (e.g. criminal law where he's reviewing physical and photo evidence).
He's obviously the best person for his actual job because otherwise they wouldn't have hired him.
I'm an academic and not surprisingly have quite a few autistic colleagues, students in wheelchairs, students with various medical conditions.
We need to be aware what to do if a student has a fit, we need working lifts, and we need to allow some people to have control over their timetable (e.g. if there's a huge department-wide meeting at the start of the week, some of them might then be better off working from home for the rest of the week to lower their stress).
But again, the students have qualified to study with us, and the colleagues were the best person for the job.
Are you suggesting we NOT hire the best person for the job/allow these students to study on the basis that they need a little bit more control over when they do their jobs/occasional adjustment of seating/might disrupt a lecture if they are unwell?

Yes, I agree that a hidden disability like kidney cancer or bi-polar should be accommodated.

However, I disagree that all hidden disabilities are equal. Sometimes, it does seem that what used to be termed oddities or quirks, are now being re-classified as disabilities.

I suppose they might be-although I am cynical about that-but in my opinion anxiety about getting on a bus or answering the phone is no-where near as life limiting as stage four cancer, being blind, severe autism or the loss of one's legs.

Most people if asked and if they replied truthfully, would rather their child have ADHD than be blind and that should tell you all you need to know.

It is my real worry that the more we insist that all disabilities from ADHD to becoming a quadriplegic are equal, then the more it will harm-in terms of support and accommodation-those who are truly suffering as there is only a limited pot.

So, no all disabilities, just like all abilities, are not equal-what a ridiculous concept and we do need to get over this idea in order to give those who are truly life limited everything they need, not scraps from a very diluted pot.

If you'd like to see wages cut for disabled people, surely you'd be in favour of abolishing sick pay too?

My daughter has a severe learning disability. She'll need support for the rest of her life. How do you think she could be supported to contribute to society?

You’re still making that judgement that neurodivergence is a “lesser” disability instead of taking everything as an individual assessment of need. My job, for example, could far more easily be done by someone with lower limb loss than someone who was autistic. (That’s not to say an autistic person couldn’t do it - they can and do - but that adjustments are needed)

I have ADHD and require adjustments, I do my job to a high standard with them. This is because ADHD is not a quirk or an oddity, it’s a fucking disability.

That was from the same OP as this one @TheLivelyRose

This post has been created by the same Mums Netter. It is deliberately provocative in my (autistic) thinking. The poster is not happy with the push back on the other thread, which included comments and responses from Mums Netters who themselves are Neurodivergent. Essentially the poster is unable/unwilling to except an answer that does fit their narrative. I personally become incredibly frustrated as I try to have a survivor mentality not a victim mentality. I require adjustments that technology has assisted with, yet I am conscious of it not negatively impacting others and complete tasks where possible even if I do not enjoy or struggle with them. Quite frankly the poster is behaving like a spoilt brat and the back lash on other neurodivergent and disabled people is unfair. However, it is the reality due to spoilt brat unreasonable demands.

The OP does not seem overly keen to engage with posters, on a thread that they started either!

I want the state to fully support those who cannot work at all and to support employers in meeting employees reasonable adjustments as required.

In turn, I want people with disabilities to be realistic about what jobs they will be able to do with reasonable adjustments. For example, someone with social anxiety should not be applying for a customer facing/speaking role if they are never going to be able to speak to the customers.

Hmmmm.....
How many people here will give you an honest answer out of these three options, OP?
Even if "anonymous".

Another day .. another horrible thread about disabled people. Do remember folks, this may be you one day. I was not disabled 5 years ago.

This will descend into the same horrible and depressing conversation it always does.

This is a silly way to think though, you cannot play disability diagnosis Top Trumps.

Off the top of my head, in my family and friends and colleagues, there are people with brain tumours, breast cancer, bowel cancer, heart defect, asthma, osteoarthritis, fused spine, hearing impairments, visual impairments, several neurodiversities, severe mental health issues, autoimmune diseases, neurological disorders, epilepsy, mobility issues.... I could go on.

Their disabilities may fluctuate in their effects, day to day, month to month, year to year, or change over time getting better or worse. Some needed time managing the conditions, trying and learning what works and makes the difference between barely functional and a normal life, or trying different walking aids to find one that suits, or being prescribed a different medications or physio, reducing some tasks so that energy can be spent on others, or it may simply be support from other people that stops them being house bound.

Some cope better than others and you cannot simply guess from their diagnosis who manages and who needs more support.

How would you rank them in order of most to least deserving of help?

Which ones do you think are most worthy of your sympathy?

How would you even guess which is which when most of them are hidden disabilities?

What unreasonable demands do I have? You don't even know if I have RA or where I work?

More benefits to working part time a lot of disabled people can do part time work and it should be encouraged.

Second post in just a few days on this exact subject OP
you’ve got quite the bee in your bonnet, haven’t you?