Labour isn't working - Thread 17

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Enjoy! I love the cinder toffee :)

If you want a thread about Reform there’s always the Starmer thread 😊

I'd never heard of black peas until this week, and now I've heard of them twice!

If IT goes up and they put NI in salary sacrifice pensions, I can't imagine they'll keep many private sector voters. But they already know they're out next time, so it doesn't matter who they alienate. That's a dangerous government to have.

i have no truck or loyalty to any party and generally believe that all MPs have their nose in the trough. But i hate this government so much and their complete disregard for the electorate, we’re ruined

For anyone interested, there is an exceptional article in the FT -
‘The Politics of breaking manifesto promises’.

Probably the best piece I have read in weeks.

I highly recommend it.

Reform really are living rent free in people’s heads. They only have themselves to blame. If you constantly close down people’s valid experience and thoughts with abuse, then people will turn to those who appear to listen. It is like no one ever studied history.

Yes I can understand that

Oh that’s interesting. Explains why Reform won in Lancashire. My family there are still very much anti reform, more like the Starmer thread. Except they don’t spend their lives talking about reform, thankfully. They mention how disappointed they are with Starmer. But think they’ll always vote Labour.

Ha ha 😝

Here's the FT article: https://www.ft.com/content/9e5655f7-85fe-4157-8ef4-709c238efa77

Wasn't behind a pay wall for me.

Behind a paywall for me I'm afraid.

My mum used to make the most amazing bonfire toffee. I've never been able to replicate it.

Try this: archive.ph/HGbeg

Ooo ta!😁

No it’s never possible! I remember my teeth sticking together, but I loved it 😆

Ooh cinder toffee! One of my faves, haven’t had it for years, enjoy 😍
Just coming back here for some normality, some of the replies on other threads at the minute are grinding my gears!
I am paraphrasing but it is apparently now totally unreasonable to ask an employee to do something within their working hours. And all benefits in this country go to the wealthy and the elderly.
I read a pps post and I’ve opened a chocolate orange, so I shan’t engage with any of that other nonsense. Less than 4 years to go…….

The big difference in 1997 ( i was 22 and just finished University) being the country was economically advantage. This despite Majors disaster with the ERM in 1992 the country had really bounced back. The Labour Party under Blair was elected because after 19 years the constant 'narrative' about the evil Tories finally stuck. The electorate was taken in by a smart talkative man who promised to be a 'Tory' economically but spend on public services like a true Keynesian . Blair was able to do this because the debt was marginal and for the previous 4 years I believe the country actually ran a ' Surplus'. Clarke and Lamont were actually Economists who ran the country within its means.

I've just hidden a thread on the potential salary sacrifice NI. All the Labour fans acting like Labour doesn't float all their ideas in the media, including for the forthcoming budget.

Can you hide people too? Genuine question, there's a few I'd rather not see

No. More's the pity!

Bugger.

I saw the salary sacrifice one, was about to post and thought, nah. Why give the self righteous the chance to tell you how ‘fair’ they think it is and how we’ve been tax avoiding through salary sacrifice til now 😂

God I wish you could. I have a top 10 in my head.

At some point you just see the same stuff and think yeh no

I’m guessing Labour will see the impact of the last few weeks on their polling whatever pro Labour do

Tory black sheep here to ( from a strong Labour upbringing )
Again I think my hard Labour cousins will vote Reform …Theyve said so
My dh will vote Labour whatever they do.