Labour isn't working - Thread 17

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Back then politicians were if a far higher calibre (in the main) than most of the MPs now. Even if you didn't agree with the politics, you (generally) felt that they were principled, just with a different political leaning.

These days you'd be surprised to find a 3 digit IQ and any sense of political or emotional intelligence in the entire fucking House. Let alone any personal pride in being honourable and working in the best interests of the country.

New Labour / One Nation Tories were just better politicians and, actually, better human beings!

Ooh. Don't tell Starmer. He'll steal that one!

Yes they were, on both sides of the house. Their words still hold weight now. Jack Straw is a favourite of mine.

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I have a feeling there could be mass removal of the whip if this carries on to bring them all back in line.

I’ve said before but I often wonder if we didn’t have had the austerity years whether I would have been an ardent Labour voter - until now. After a while I felt the Tories were “against” public sector workers - don’t ask me why. Probably working class chip.

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FRT been identified as a major concern by M15.

@Frankenchino Yes, I dare say it has. I wonder what are the political leanings of those who identify these major concerns?

It’s the left wing mentality. And I’d say it’s especially heightened in the north. It is us against them. I grew up in that environment, not so obvious but always there really.

The north used to be thriving, the Industrial Revolution. Jobs. Then it all disappeared, thatcher closed coal mines. Steel industry cotton mills coal etc etc. All gone. All money being now being made down south. North neglected. So this is the mentality Andy B, and they all, have. Not just fighting against the gvt now they are gvt they’re fighting against anyone successful with cash.

I mean they’re either Labour or not. There’s no point in Powell doing the speech she did about core values then throwing all this in the mix.

I have a feeling Starmer will go for control as you say, but what’s the point of those MPs

Totally agree . Chalk and cheese re intelligence levels. Dangerous in very different ways.

That working class chip you describe runs deep! I have a northern wc background so I know what you mean. My extended family would never ever vote tory. I'm not sure they even know why, its just DNA. I'm the black sheep obviously 🤪
Most of them will vote Reform though.

I think you’ve missed the point. This thread isn’t really about Reform. You’re completely off topic which is why people don’t necessarily think you are posting in good faith. This isn’t a Reform thread. There are many other threads where you’ll find like minded people who want to engage with what you have to say. Disagreeing with the government does not make one far right or necessarily a Reform supporter. It all sounds Labour supporter nonsense. The only one interested in discussing Reform in any depth appears to be you.

Yes totally agree.
But this current version of Labour have highlighted for me the huge difference in northern Labour voters, and those in Starmer's fan club. They have totally different views.

When Blair came into power may 1997, Britain was on the bones of its ass. There was so much good will and hope. He delivered, leaving business pretty much alone to recover and thrive. Ditto housing which had been in a downward spiral for seven years.

He had the support of his MPs, disillusioned Tories. Stood up to the unions. It was a time of growth. Not heady but steady.

Brown brought it all tumbling down as Blair knew he would do.

The Starmer fan club types strike me as largely quite educated and affluent, but tending towards public sector jobs.

Hard agree with this.

Therein lies the rub. We have a Labour govt on the brink of war with it's backbenchers.
We have all these first time fervent socialists in parliament who as someone said up thread have no polical experience just a desire to be as red as possible. Labour is completely devoid of talent and statesmen.

They strike me as "Twp"

Right, I'm off to a bonfire with the family. I can't wait for all the bonfire night food! Potato pie and black peas round these parts, Followed by treacle toffee and parkin. Nom nom 😋

Have a lovely Saturday evening all. 💙

Have a piece of Parkin for me!

Drakeford totally ignored other labour MS members decisions were made and presented as a done deal in Wales.

The mood the two versions of the Labour Party brought with them upon winning is just polar opposite.

1997: it was all optimism, 'things can only get better', and Cool Britannia.

2024: it was 'it's all shit and will get shitter'. There's no hope, no optimism, no attempt or ability to improve.

I didn't vote Labour back then, but the mood in the country was brilliant.

Indeed! They have a whole marketing dept that posts endlessly on X, and previous elections they have announced the result on there and in assemblies/ newsletter etc.
But they didn’t like the result so was only briefly mentioned in 6th Form briefing.

I would say ex public sector jobs. As in retired or very close to retirement with cushy pensions and an early finish to your work life. What’s not to like about the party who fund that? People currently in the public sector, I’d say the tide is turning and it isn’t as taboo as it once was to not think of Labour as the saviour. Especially people who still have a way to go.