Labour isn't working - Thread 17

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Oh ffs.
Mahmood is probably the only chance Labour have of recovering any credibility with the public.
The left of Labour do not have a mandate.

Oh well, let them get on with it. No skin off my nose if the PLP eat themselves alive. The sooner the better.

Quick.

Before Rachel slaps a tax on it.

I can’t see Starmer giving way to anyone.

There’s never been a PM with fewer ideas and less talent but with more arrogance and a delusional belief in his self-worth.

Do people think Burnham wants to be PM? He’s always come across as being “champion for the North”. If he has control of the country’s decisions, who is he fighting against? (I always get the impression he is fighting against and not fighting for - if that makes sense?)

Yep. He won’t go.

I agree.

I don’t believe that outside his Northern court he has many admirers or friends in Labour anyway. He was very poor in government under Brown and he’s appallingly ambitious.

😂😂 it’s never slow she’s got no chance

Re fighting against, not fighting for, I think all of current Labour are like that. Their supporters behave that way too on here.

Its understandable in opposition, as they are fighting against the government, but they haven't switched mentality now that Labour are the government.

Yep it’s so much easier if you can point to someone else. Much harder when it’s you.

It’s making them lose it Lammy style. Aggression etc

I also think Labour in Wales benefitted from pointing at WM. But now they’ve lost that crutch.

@upseedaisee

No thanks. I can discuss what I like here. It’s an open forum and you don’t need to reply to me. Trying to exclude posters just forms an echo chamber. You don’t own the thread.

@38thparallel Far left is currently considered low lethality. Far right extremism is a significant and growing global threat. FRT been identified as a major concern by M15.

Yeah, explains all the lashing out.
I don't remember Blair or Brown being like that? Perhaps I've forgotten.

Agree on Labour in Wales.

Neither can I. I was 18 when Blair came in and my “carefree” years were under Brown (first child born 2011 so childcare bites then!). I never know when I look back on a Labour government with rose tinted glasses. As always I’m thankful for this thread as you allow me to express my views but don’t hound me off. It’s really educational.

@Frankenchino This thread is about the current Labour government.

Actually, we have a 'gentleman's agreement' with the leftie thread that we leave each other's threads alone. It sometimes goes a wee bit awry, but generally works well.

Blair and Brown were more openly centrist. And there wasn't the same open internal battle in the party between the left and the centre left.

Labour has always had an element of sixth form / spiteful politics about it, but it just wasn't blatant during the Blair years. These days, the internal battles spill out all over and shows in their policies / failure to control the backbenchers. IMO!

No thanks. I can discuss what I like here. It’s an open forum and you don’t need to reply to me. Trying to exclude posters just forms an echo chamber. You don’t own the thread.

It's not an echo chamber to have a particular thread for people with a similar outlook on a particular issue - in this case that we're all appalled at Labour's performance and likely impact on the country and economy.
So I'm not quite sure what you're doing here - is it that you think we need shown the error of our way and educated? You're not even engaging particularly with the subjects under discussion, just vague burblings about the far right - is that what you think we are, despite quite a lot of talk of suppor for the Tories?

I'm so conflicted about Blair - on the one hand I think he's a dangerous, power-hungry megalomaniac with a lot of behind-the-scenes involvement as discussed earlier, on the other hand he was a far, far better politician than the current lot and the country felt much better run at that point.

Thank you. I'm glad you feel that way about the thread.

We're a similar age, so we were both young and carefree when Blair came to power. Perhaps you're right about rose tinted specs. It didn't feel like it does now. They weren't pitting groups against each other as is happening now. I didn't agree with a lot of their policies, but it felt more like they were at least trying to govern for all. I voted for Blair, it was my first ever vote. Iraq put me off Labour for life, but that's for another thread.

I have anyways voted Labour - bar 2012 when I voted Lib Dem. I joined this thread about a month ago and the original posters know my history and my career. I didn’t want to join argumentative thread - there are hundreds out there - I find this thread very respectful if you can add in good faith.

Same. Previously they have announced the result - not this time 😀

He was definitely more talented in political tactics and understanding the electorate. I think he's actually far cleverer than Starmer as well.

Yeah that makes sense.
I also think Blair let the left of his party just get on with their little tantrums now and then, whilst he got on with running the country. It made him look superior while they ended up looking silly. I truly despise Blair now, but he was 10 times to politician and PM that Starmer is.

Do you mean they didn't announce the result because they didn't like the outcome? Thats crazy.

I think Blair is world’s away from Starmer, bar the ludicrous digital ID control. And I think he has some evil tendencies.

He didn’t do the poxy we hate the rich to get votes. In fact he’s spoken up about lowering taxes and the workers’ rights bill.

Although it’s not really his business.

Starmer and co are vindictive, depressing, nasty and clueless in comparison.

Yes definitely. Dh started the business under the last Labour govt. He wouldn't dream of it with this lot.