Labour isn't working - Thread 17

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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@Rexinasaurus so if we all have digital ID, does this mean people like Tony Blair and Larry Ellison would be able to view our individual medical records? Why would he need that information and also what about data protection as this is sensitive, personal data? I mean it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest - I trust Satan more than I trust Tony Blair - but I just can't understand the logic behind it.

Is it your turn today? Perhaps you and I should name change on other threads 😂.
The obsession is a bit creepy now.

Not that interesting just some nutter going on about Elon, Reform, me, they’re just trolling. Not worth my time. I’m obviously worth their’s which is concerning.

I’m leaving them to it, I think they’re probably having a tough time or whatever.

I hadn’t even posted and had no intention of doing so 😬

ffs if people are losing it, it’s not us doing it

You hadn't even posted? 🤯 wtf?

I love to know your theory too! Frankly, there is so much that doesn't make sense/ isn't working I struggle to understand why there aren't big shifts to change things.

I imagine the weird aggro will ramp up as Labour go downhill.

I’m staying with you guys.

They must be reading this thread, and arguing with us in their heads.
I've just had a look at that threaf (HRTFT) and you're right, its a bin fire.

Don’t you think a deal’s already been done for Starmer and Reeves to handover to Burnham/Streeting etc post May? Per that article the only q is whether they can hang on long enough to take that beating for May and then go.

Doesn't Burnham need to become an MP before then? Any by-elections upcoming?

True!

Oh how embarrassing. It’s like when some stalker with your ex accidentally likes your socials. Or even worse, someone pretends to not be interested in the WhatsApp where all the cool kids hang out and they post in the wrong chat. Mortifying 💀

I strongly agree on the UK having an issue with being very lax on crime. I immigrated here post-uni and that was one thing that suprised and shocked me, although I'm talking more low-level antisocial stuff that just wasn't a thing where I came from.

Unfortunately over the years it seems that the rot has spread, and more and more serious crimes are being overlooked, and anyone that does actually see the inside of a court room gets a derisory sentence, if anything at all.

I find this so wrong - crime and antisocial behaviour are an absolute misery for everyone else; police don't take it seriously and as an ordinary person your hands are tied, you can't defend yourself as you'll either come off worse, or you'll be in the one in trouble and your painstakingly built life will be destroyed.

I also agree that it used to feel a lot more contained and now seems to have spread everywhere. In Scotland, I'm convinced that giving the free travel passes to under 25s is playing a part in that.
I also think that insisting on having a percentage of social housing on new estates has an impact, and I find that a particularly unfair and misguided policy. Frankly yes I would rather sink estates where everyone who loves to live like an antisocial arsehole can find themselves in good company, rather than spreading them out to tormet the mugs who are paying through the nose for a mortgage to live next to them.

Right now, I have the strong sense that the authorities in general don't care about me at all, as a law-abiding tax payer, and that the Labour party actually hold me in active contempt.

@SpaceRaccoon
In a way politicians can't win, if there are sink estates created then they get criticised for that - and they are criticised for the policies we have now.

I don't pretend to know what the answer is.

I tried to explain to my ex once that I feel like it's really a matter of preference. He didn't really get it. He had a very fixed idea of right and wrong.

But you have stated your preference clearly, so that's an example. It's a bit like David Goodhart and the "somewheres" and "anywheres". I am definitely a "somewhere" and I dislike anything that turns society into a bunch of "anywheres".

when we vote, we are voting for a direction in which we want society to go - and a lot of us feel very lost because at the moment no one is going in our general direction!

I do think the Tories might if we give them a chance, but of course, they have let people down so badly, even committed lifelongTories feel unable to vote for them.

I suspect many of those critisising the sink estates somehow didn't picture having to then live alongside a problem family.

Btw I'm not stating that everybody in social housing behaves badly, far from it - I lived in a social housing flat (ex-boyfriend's) for years and everyone in the close was lovely, was a mixture of social and owned. But they had a careful policy at that time of not putting the problem tenants in that street. I also happen to think it's unfair on other social housing tenants to be housed next to problem neighbours, hence yes I genuinely do think it's a great idea to just put all the problem ones together and then no-one else has to suffer them.

I guess I also think that in a supposed capitalist society, if you work hard you should be able to buy your way into peace and safety and away from antisocial behaviour.

Oops tagged wrong post

@SpaceRaccoon
I feel as if you've got a different definition to me? A sink estate is about economic deprivation. It's not about bad behaviour. It can attract bad behaviour but the vast majority of residents will be normal people just trying to get on with their lives.

No one should be stuck with the bad behaviour people. So what do we do with them?

@EmeraldRoulette yes maybe we're talking at cross-purposes re what things are called.

I guess I don't see the issue with people of similar economic status all living in the same area together. The insistence on mixing just feels like social engineering to me.

As I said I'd definitely be in support of specific areas for problem tenants who were evicted from elsewhere. Maybe specific areas for HMOs as well. Won't happen though.

Basically what it feels like is that there's a lot of violent and antisocial behaviour, the police won't protect people from it, people aren't allowed to do much to protect themselves from it, they can't move and guarentee not living near it, and they'll then be taxed to spend money on those causing all the problems.

Probably enough of my musings/rantings for today.

I don't believe that there is one but at the moment there is a total lack of connected up thinking. Firstly, I be a lot stricter on drugs - my own experience of working on an estate is that the most antisocial were those heavily involved.

Strict enforcement as a deterrent, then rehabilitation and I'd also do public messaging, like Singapore does, for community values.

No they weren’t directly linked in this video. It was describing how the TBI is directly influenced by LE. And LE did his talk about the data available in the UK NHS, whilst in Dubai. Tony Blair was there (obv since he’s the link).

TB is also directly influencing KS about digital ID in the UK.

No direct link was discussed in the video. However if the digital ID is supposed to hold All our data - we ask ourselves - where does our data come from? Who has access to it? Who gave them that access? Why do they have access to it? How are they using it / how could they use it?

Etc

Yes. I was just being facetious about terminology. Labour working people etc.

I’m at a loose end with a terrys chocolate orange. Im going in..

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Reading this on Mahmood’s changes.

Nadia Whittome, Labour MP for Nottingham East, went as far as claiming the policies were “racist”. She told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: “I think this is a dead end – morally, politically and electorally.

I wonder if they’ll stand up for what they believe in. Other Labour MPs with similar takes, plus Powell must see the difficulty against her speech.

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