Labour isn't working - Thread 17

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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The majority of die hard Labour supporters are typical champagne socialists. All on the public payroll in one form or another. Old style public pensions, large incomes from the state via welfare. I have yet to see one that is not one of the above. They ALL are. Easy to support Labour when you’re coining it in at others expense, ruining the future of the younger generations. But they are so wholesome don’t ya know.

They also don’t live in areas that are severely impacted by crime, immigration and deprivation. The true NIMBY. It is easy to call people thick and racist when they really should look at themselves. Clueless.

Knife crime is rampant; anyone who argues differently needs to take their head out of the sand.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c119153f0f3febfc

This. Has the lady in question applied for pension credit? If she is on the old state pension (retirees pre 2016) she could well be entitled, and it would make up her pension to a few pounds short of the new state pension of £230 p/w. As it's a gateway benefit, she would also be eligible for other help. It's worth a try.

That’s the article that was posted and every comment is trying to prove the OP wrong. It’s made me quite sad actually as although statistically knife crime is lower (but can we trust statistics? How are they compiled!) it still exceedingly high in areas such as mine. It’s doesn’t matter to me if knife crime has lowered in the SE, it hasn’t declined in my city.

Yes that is evident.

Blimey, that's awful. You know what they say about statistcs... Lies, damn lies and statistics. They can be interpreted and manipulated however you want.

Thank you for the suggestions.

I have a feeling she retired after 2016, but I'll check when I next see her.

Currently she's enjoying some paid leave as the whole of the house is in disarray following the water leak, and the noise from the dehumidifiers and fans is horrendous. We couldn't expect her to work in these conditions.

@MrsMurphyIWish exactly - that’s the issue with data, both things can be true. Colleagues in Birmingham say it’s a huge problem in some areas there.

I accidentally found that awful thread. Apparently GMP had to be left out of the stats as they under-reported knife crime. 🙄

I'm sick of the lefties jumping on so many threads just trying to gaslight people and poo-poo their worries with spurious stats and insults.

Still on knife crime: I've never flown with Ryanair; never will if I can possibly avoid it. While I agree people need to demonstrate self-responsibility and take out travel insurance, on this occasion Ryanair missed the opportunity for some much-needed positive PR.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15271659/Ryanair-refund-Huntingdon-hero-fly-football-train-stabbing.html

Yes I’ve just read that thread too, been hijacked by left wing loons.

All the usual names!

I bet

I give up with ignorant envious people who have no clue about the state of the country but
more importantly always end up bashing the elderly or those who have simply built up a life through hard work

@Julen7 are you referring to the thread I’ve just come off
Theres really no point trying to explain the obvious is there 🤣

Just scrolled back and noticed it’s not the same thread. Clearly there are so many similar threads/rants on MNet

I'd like to say something calm and balanced about the knife crime situation

I'm obviously not going to try and say it on that thread...I nearly did, but not worth it

Something that got discussed a lot in my circle a few years back was the change of area where the stuff was taking place. So previously there were areas that you saw as "no go" areas (unless you lived there).

The really big change was that it spread out - and it is everywhere now. So people who previously didn't "see" the problem now do see it.

I think we are currently seeing chickens come home to roost on a lot of issues.
This is just one of them. Being too soft on crime has been a problem for absolutely ages - 25+ years? Actually, when were we ever taking it seriously?

No effort to control it in the areas where it was taking place (possibly snobbery against the people living there) the obvious result is the one we have - it was not contained, so it became more widespread.

I obviously realise statistics are manipulated, and I'm not going to study them in depth to decide whether certain crimes have gone up.

But we have a historical problem with being far too soft on crime. It probably predates some posters here even being born.

Also, drug use and drug dealing have gone up quite a lot, haven't they? Or is it that more people are open about it now?

editing to add - worked with one guy who grew up in Tottenham, said anything that was reported to the police just got ignored, the MPs didn't care, and everything just felt hopeless. I think he's approaching 60 now. So this is an age problem, but I do feel like all politicians have been snobby and ignored those who were struggling in those situations.

Did you find the chav thread?!

@DrPrunesqualer no I think it’s a different one, the one I was referring to was asking whether Starmer should call a national emergency due to knife crime.
I’ll see if I can find the one you posted on but honestly it winds me up so perhaps for the sake of my blood pressure I won’t.

That’s a binfire of a thread.

No
Happy to hav a look. What’s the title
Im assuming it’s not actually called
the chav thread

I was on
the council tax on g and h properties thread

I wouldnt bother. It’s just the usual me me me crap

'Friend still believes in 'chavs''. Thankfully only the OP is batshit though!

Oh Christ. The usual suspects on that thread did my fucking box in.

🤣🤣

I’m staying here. I’ve got a stalker weirdo a thread I haven’t even posted on 😂

They’re all losing it.

I'm intrigued, Eastern!