Labour isn't working - Thread 17

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Because they genuinely consider that running the country is not so different from running a university student union. It's about soundbites and empty phrases. Not about competence and responsibility. I honestly think they do not understand that running a country is actually a Very Big and Important Job. And they have to approach it properly.

ETA- so they don't want to hear or understand anything outside their own echo chamber. It threatens their feelings about themselves as the righteous.

It should be mandatory that chancellors listen to people like Stuart rose and have proper meetings .

100%.

I know some posters have access to the telegraph

Apparently, Alison Pearson has an interview with an asylum seeker worker who got disciplined because they refused to approve someone with a dubious history with children? Sorry that's as much as I know as I can't see it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/05/migrants-asylum-sex-offence-allegations-whistleblower/

Nicky, whose name I have changed to protect her identity, is an experienced caseworker in the UK’s Asylum System which she describes variously to me during a long interview as “unsustainable”, “laughable if it wasn’t so dangerous”, and a “crazy carousel” in which tens of thousands of applicants (“We have to call them ‘customers’ now, can you believe it?”) use every trick in the book to remain in this country.

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As she makes me the first of several strong mugs of tea that will keep us both going over the next few hours, she tells me: “Look, we get some people who totally deserve our help, African women, say, who are victims of FGM (female genital mutilation). If we send them back, they are forced to become ‘cutters’ themselves, so we offer them refuge, and I’m glad that we do. And there are trafficked girls, harrowing cases that leave you traumatised. But most people I assess are lying.”

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Nicky has warned me to prepare myself for what she is about to reveal. “You’re going to be shocked, Allison.”

@EmeraldRoulette

‘I think it is inevitable a man I grant asylum to will rape or murder a young girl’

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ad25d65c56080bf8

Telegraph has been great in the last year, lots of good articles.

Horrible and not surprising read :(

As one of the comments says : ‘Every rape, sexual assault and murder committed by illegal immigrants has a direct link to this and previous governments.
They cannot and will not take the necessary measures to protect our women and children.’

I've literally just read this article. It's both horrifying and exactly as I suspected.

On a previous thread I was arguing with posters who were adamant that a successful claim meant these men were genuine. The sheer dangerous naivety of it.

@SpaceRaccoon they may be genuine and maybe rapists as well.

We should not be on the back foot letting others dominate our asylum landscape.
Woman and children first.

Hands up. I don’t regard immigration as a high priority issue. And it does make me sad that Britain has been a shining example of refuge for the persecuted over the centuries, but that we’re now turning our backs on refugees altogether.

But, even 30 years ago I worked with a formerly very idealistic colleague who’d left the Home Office after dealing with lying asylum seekers for too long. She’d become totally cynical.

I suppose it’s all about efficiency and dissuading the chancers. Rwanda seems ever more like a good thing wasted.

I have a special contempt for “smash the gangs”. That’s just a falsehood. Reform in a Lord Alli suit.

I didn't much regard it as a high priority issue either until very recently. But there have been too many sex attacks now for me to feel comfortable with the current situation. I would say my first stirrings of disquiet were after the Cologne NYE incident.

And then it occured to me that the people with the wherewithal to journey to Europe were probably far more likely to not be the ones persecuted - possibly the ones doing the persecuting. And that we now possibly have, within the people that comes here, those actually responsible for some of the worst global atrocities.

A few months ago I read about the absolute horrors suffered by Tigrayen women at the hands of Ethopian and Eritrean soldiers. Eritreans who would, per the Telegraph article, be almost guaranteed asylum should they arrive here.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/jun/30/sexual-violence-tigray-women-abuse-gang-rape-ethiopia-eritrea

It's also very likely that men make the crossing because they're fleeing not persecution, but rightful punishment for crimes including rape and murder. Of course, coming from a country with the death penalty for those crimes precludes us from returning them.

I'm actually horrified at the whole thing now.

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I can't say I'm surprised. I've said it before here, but I genuinely think at some point they'll be an amnesty granted - no one will have to make a case. But then again, there are so many lawyers making money out of it, they would be annoyed with an amnesty I suppose

There will be so many people in the Home Office who know about all of this. My own experience is that it's been going on for far longer than anyone really appreciates but I suspect now that's just a really fast way to get yourself labelled a conspiracy theorist.

I'd really like to get to the root of it. I suspect it lies in Tony Blair's era.

Here he is. I love that he's holding an ID card 😂

https://news.sky.com/story/giant-effigy-of-sir-keir-starmer-unveiled-ahead-of-towns-bonfire-night-celebrations-13464325

Agree @EmeraldRoulette but the numbers over the last several years have highlighted it all, I’m sure it’s always been very difficult.

That effigy is quite something.

It’s pretty well thought out in terms of what to include.

Apparently in Lewes it is Starmer (with ID card), and Trump. Actually I believe Andrew (fkapa) won the public vote this week, but I guess it was too late to make one of him!

Electric vehicle (EV) drivers will be hit with a new pay-per-mile tax in the Budget, The Telegraph can reveal.
Under current plans, to be announced by the Chancellor on Nov 26, drivers of electric cars will be charged 3p per mile on top of other road taxes.
The scheme, set to kick in from 2028 after a consultation, will mean the average driver faces paying an extra £250 a year.
The Treasury will make the move amid falling fuel duty revenue as people move from petrol to electric cars. Up to six million people are set to be driving EVs by the time the tax comes in.

Reeves will tax sunshine soon - its good we don't get much here.

Woah......the thread moves so fast!

Happy Birthday @nowordforfluffy loving the cross stitch!

Can't this Government just stop for a minute and think we are going to far! This is going to end up very badly for the country very soon.

They have got to be doing this harm on purpose, surely nobody can be this bad.
They seem to be on a suicide mission to destroy this country within 2 years of Government.

If transport costs sky rocket how on earth will food stay affordable. Are this Government that 'dim' are they listening to expert advisors...

@Chimaera101 electric car drivers are going to pay more than a regular car drivers? I thought they got a reduced tax though, so I'm confused.

wouldn't be surprised if they put 3p per mile extra on every driver regardless of the vehicle type.

I'm not comfortable with effigies. I think it's dehumanising people. I understand that it might happen in certain extreme circumstances. I'm not actually sure this is one of them. Not yet anyway.

wouldn't be surprised if they put 3p per mile extra on every driver regardless of the vehicle type.

It's much easier to track mileage of electric cars. That was always the warning, which was dismissed as tinfoilhattery.

The Lewes bonfire has been burning effigies for years, everyone from Alex Salmond to Jeremy Clarkson have featured.

We need to be encouraging people to get out and spend money, not telling people to stay at home due to rising costs. The whole idea of encouraging people in to Electric cars was due to reduced costs. Not that 95% of the population can afford a new Electric Car anyway. this despite the Government stupid allowance on £37K Electric Cars given there are few Electric Cars for RRP of £37K anyway . They also do not understand that car dealers are knocking £20- 30K of Electric Cars Anyway.

This Again shows they have not got a clue and is about their idea of arbitrary amounts of money = Luxury or Working People.

They are complete 'dummies'