Labour isn't working - Thread 17

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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It’s been said by others, but it bears repeating. Labour is now a party of shouty students that never grew up. There are very few, if any, senior Labour figures who understand or care about business and commerce, or the everyday concerns of ordinary people. The purpose of profit is lost on Labour. They’d much rather be waving Palestinian flags, catastrophising about global warming, marching for trans rights, supporting pickets or berating the rich.

It’s all rather pathetic. But very harmful.

They won't be happy until everyone has nothing. I know, we can call it communism. As Orwell said "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

@SpaceRaccoon oh yes, I'd forgotten about that with electric cars. I don't pay much attention to cars these days, because I can't drive anymore.

I had also forgotten about the Lewes effigy thing. I've always thought that about them. The dehumanising bit I mean.

is there an education announcement tomorrow? Still catching up, sorry.

I do a low mileage DH has nagged at me to get an electric car for years. I was happy with my sporty mini so refused. It's 20 years old, done 45k. Never failed an MOT.

I'm glad I ignored successive nudges from previous governments.

@EmeraldRoulette I don't drive either. DH is a car enthusiast though so I abaorb stuff despite my best efforts.

I see your POV with the effigies. I'd never considered it from that angle.

Coming soon to England…

SNP ministers will be given the power to break up Scotland’s estates into smaller plots when they are sold after the controversial plans were overwhelmingly approved at Holyrood.

MSPs passed the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill by 85 votes to 28, with nine abstentions. The Tories, who opposed the legislation, called it “state overreach by the SNP into the rural way of life”.

The Bill gives SNP ministers the power to force those selling more than 1,000 hectares (2,471 acres) of land to dispose of it in lots, rather than as a whole.
In each case, they must decide whether the public interest would be served by dividing up a large landholding. They have argued the power is needed to reduce the concentration of land ownership in Scotland.

Among the Bill’s other measures are forcing large landholders to publish a land management plan after consulting local communities. Those who fail to do so can be fined £40,000.

They will also be banned from selling a large landholding, or any part of it, without first notifying SNP ministers to give community bodies the chance to register an interest in buying a plot.

Campaigners estimate that a third of Scotland’s land belongs to fewer than 360 owners and the SNP has introduced a series of reforms to try to dilute this.

David Lammy, the UK justice secretary, is under mounting pressure after two more prisoners, including a convicted foreign sex offender, were mistakenly freed, days after he introduced stringent checks for jails.

Lammy had refused multiple times to say whether any more prisoners had been released in error in a bruising session of prime minister’s questions (PMQs), having been ambushed with a string of pre-planned questions on the issue.

On Wednesday evening, the Ministry of Justice said Lammy had not been “accurately informed of key details” when he was asked about missing prisoners.

Morning surely this must be the fastest growing thread we will be on one a day soon WOW ! Well done @TheNuthatch
reporting from Spirit not good news I’m afraid. I have several well healed ladies who I see every year sometimes they buy sometimes not but they always stop by they aren’t here this year they are internationals. Few other people saying we’re not buying as we’re leaving the UK and spend is way down it’s very sad

He needs to prove that last line as it looks like yet more lies.

There are fewer deals running this year than this time last year - don’t you reckon most retailers are leaving it late in the hope the budget isn’t as bad as expected and people will then spend their Xmas money in a mad rush end Nov?

The number of wrongfully released criminals is terrifying isn’t it…

Is Lammy IC whilst our illustrious PM is virtue signalling in Brazil?

God help us….

Good morning.

Sorry to hear that spending is down at the fair Parsley, although I'm not surprised in the current climate. I'm holding back too until we know what the budget looks like. Also not surprised that those with options are leaving.

Lammy has really messed up this time. Yesterday's DPMQs was a farce.
I can't decide who's worse - Labour or the SNP.

Some ruffled feathers over the Lammy release stuff on mn. Labour still has a few supporters out there god knows why!

I caught the end of an expert talking about the prison system yesterday. The whole thing sounds completely broken. IT systems that aren’t integrated, badly thought through changes in policy ( different early release schemes etc.).

Just listening to latest TRIM podcast. Jim O’Neil is just saying that PIP is being gamed with over 1 million people on four forms of it thereby bringing in more than someone on national minimum wage.

The threads aside with the examples of people who really need disability who feel personally attacked, the stats from 2019 on show a problem of that size and growing of young working aged adults not working - that trend has to be turned around for all of our sakes including the claimers who’ve been let down by many systems themselves.

It’s going to be a grim Christmas for retailers this year thanks to this Government. Millions of people will been tightening their belts when Reeves ups their taxes next month, and businesses have already been hammered by the increased employers NI rate she imposed on them. She talks about driving growth and the economy, but then she goes and imposes changes that achieve the exact opposite.

Yes you get the often repeated mantra on here that ther is zero fraud regarding PIP with no definition of what is meant by fraud. If we are talking name and address fraud there are now probably enough system checks to almost fully prevent that. But then we move onto the process itself and the form which is largely based around self-reporting.

The costs of the process are also enormous as there are 2 levels of appeal built in. Why design a system that allows 3 attempts? The top level of appeal involves an actual Judge. How much does that cost?

💯 agree.

I don’t think it is fraud to a large degree at root, we've got a lot of working aged people who genuinely believe they’re incapable of meeting the challenges of holding down a job. that’s the problem, we’ve got to change that perception and they need to learn they can work and it’ll be ok.

it’s a tough challenge.

It was an inevitability and the EV bubble has finally burst. Moving over to EV's under an inducement of lower road tax a cheaper electricity tarriff to charge your vehicle has led to a substantial increase. On the other hand, because more people are driving EV's the amount of fuel duty has substantially reduced and the treasury don't like that. So to mitigate the loss of revenue, it was claer they would come up with a new and painful way of squeezing money out of the motorist. I just hope the pay per mile doesn't extend to petrol vehicles.

My mum claimed DLA before it changed to PIP. She had severe lung disease with less than 30% function in her 40’s. She was refused on her first application. She was then supported by a disability charity with making another application who told her that almost all applications were refused at the first attempt. What a ridiculous state of affairs and a complete waste of time. There was clear medical evidence of my mum’s disability. It doesn’t appear that anything has improved since she was claiming - she passed away 13 years ago.

I can say from personal experience that PIP is not easy to claim, and you do have to provide evidence which is regularly, and unfairly discounted.
The appeals process is really important to protect those who are wrongly denied. Its not easy to go through an appeal. Ask me how I know.

In-person assessment would help weed out those who are swinging the lead, as the same people will also be gaming their GP for a diagnosis.

From a teacher’s perspective I worry about some of the teens I teach. I have a Yr 12 in my Lit class (obviously a subject that is very discursive written and orally. A-level too so she selected it) who doesn’t speak. Her passport exempts her from being asked questions due to her anxiety. She has been allowed to not sit timed assessments but complete them in her own time at home. She wants to go to Uni but I worry she will drop out as we’ve created a culture where she’s allowed to “opt out” (harshly speaking).

DS has autism but apart from being allowed to wear a polo shirt (still with tie, blazer and he’s wearing trousers for the first time ever - woo!) and a “leave for lunch early” card, we’re trying to push him to face his fears. It’s difficult though so I can see how easy parents and schools make extra accommodations for short term relief.