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Huntingdon was a lone wolf attack

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WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 18:01

Confirmed by police about half an hour ago that the 35 year old arrested has been released without charge.

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EasternStandard · 03/11/2025 15:07

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:04

The comparison wasn’t SM or the train events though, was it? It was SM and immigration. And you are still conflating the two in this post.

In that post, how? Can you be specific

And I know what I meant when I answered, which I stated below. I know my own thoughts which were about SM v attacks.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 15:09

DuncinToffee · 03/11/2025 15:06

We have uncontrolled immigration? So why do we still have small boat crossings if they could just immigrate🤔

"Uncontrolled immigration" refers to immigration that is not managed by government control, leading to both legal and illegal migration that is higher than a desired level. This can include a surge in both legal migration and unauthorized border crossings, such as individuals arriving without permission or by circumventing official channels.”

Every day is a school day, Dunc

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:10

EasternStandard · 03/11/2025 14:32

I found some of the posts focusing on SM instead of the mass attack misplaced as it’s an easy choice, I know what would terrify me more.

I don’t get the need to focus on SM over actual violence.

That was the point of the post. You seem to have misunderstood.

Edited

It was about SM stoking violence. So they are linked. It’s not worry about SM, it’s worry about its specific influence in stoking violence.
Im noticing a theme with your responses to criticism. You express concern about terminology or divert onto a side issue. Think I’ll remember to avoid discussion with you - no point when someone isn’t responding in good faith really.

EasternStandard · 03/11/2025 15:11

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:10

It was about SM stoking violence. So they are linked. It’s not worry about SM, it’s worry about its specific influence in stoking violence.
Im noticing a theme with your responses to criticism. You express concern about terminology or divert onto a side issue. Think I’ll remember to avoid discussion with you - no point when someone isn’t responding in good faith really.

As I said I know what I was thinking when I posted.

You have your views and thinking I assume. You can summarise for yourself but not others.

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:12

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 14:37

They all relate to male violence.

They all related to immigration. The attacker wasn’t an I migrant this time. You were using the attack to further your views on immigration.

EasternStandard · 03/11/2025 15:13

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:04

The comparison wasn’t SM or the train events though, was it? It was SM and immigration. And you are still conflating the two in this post.

And can you be specific on this? The still in bold part.

Boohoo76 · 03/11/2025 15:13

cardibach · 03/11/2025 14:57

You can have an idea of scale without a precise number. I’ve been told now. It’s approx a 65/35 split. Bit different from over 90%.

You were told that the 90% figure was incorrect (it’s actually 80%) and that the figure for Islamist terrorist attacks was 67%. Not so much of a difference now is there. It’s also interesting to note that of the non-Islamist attacks, none have been mass casualty events. Some haven’t had any casualties whatsoever. So all mass casualties events in the past 20 years have been Islamist. Added to the fact that there have been multiple mass casualty Islamist attacks across Europe, it’s not difficult to see why people are fearful.

DuncinToffee · 03/11/2025 15:17

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 15:09

"Uncontrolled immigration" refers to immigration that is not managed by government control, leading to both legal and illegal migration that is higher than a desired level. This can include a surge in both legal migration and unauthorized border crossings, such as individuals arriving without permission or by circumventing official channels.”

Every day is a school day, Dunc

Can you tell me which immigration is not controlled by the government?

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:18

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 14:58

Well, obviously, if we do it per capita it would be much higher.

Shifting the goal posts then? At the time people were declaring it must be Islamist terrorism we didn’t know the race if the attackers. Plus of course more Islamist terrorists are Muslim (and therefore majority non-white) than other sorts of terrorists.

EasternStandard · 03/11/2025 15:20

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 03/11/2025 14:44

I was horrified by the SM stuff because of what it might lead to. Like in the aftermath of Southport.

I was so utterly horrified by the attack to the point it was verging on a panic attack. As a PTSD sufferer (,I'm obviously just not tough enough as a PP suggested) who can't deal with being trapped, I always viewed trains as being as safe form of transport (in that I can get off whenever I want/need to). That's changed that outlook entirely.

I was and remain completely sympathetic with all of the victims involved, both those injured and those who witnessed it. I didn't really mention it yesterday because to be honest I thought it was obviously how most people would think.

It is stressful. I find thinking of Southport still very upsetting and just the trauma of it.

We’re all posting in relation to an extreme situation, I think of what it would be like and it’s awful. Sometimes I see posts that I find difficult in that context.

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:21

EasternStandard · 03/11/2025 15:07

In that post, how? Can you be specific

And I know what I meant when I answered, which I stated below. I know my own thoughts which were about SM v attacks.

Edited

No I’m not as concerned about people posting things as I would be on a train in that situation
The post was about immigration, not the train. I don’t think your reading comprehension is poor, therefore the only reason to mix those up are if you still think they are basically the same issue.
And that’s the last question of yours I’m responding to.

Gloriia · 03/11/2025 15:22

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:18

Shifting the goal posts then? At the time people were declaring it must be Islamist terrorism we didn’t know the race if the attackers. Plus of course more Islamist terrorists are Muslim (and therefore majority non-white) than other sorts of terrorists.

What is your point? Most mass atrocities are jihadis nowadays. This one wasn't but it is absolutely understandable to think it may be as they usually are.

It isn't personal to the jihadis it is based in what has happened in recent years.

LaserPumpkin · 03/11/2025 15:22

Boohoo76 · 03/11/2025 15:13

You were told that the 90% figure was incorrect (it’s actually 80%) and that the figure for Islamist terrorist attacks was 67%. Not so much of a difference now is there. It’s also interesting to note that of the non-Islamist attacks, none have been mass casualty events. Some haven’t had any casualties whatsoever. So all mass casualties events in the past 20 years have been Islamist. Added to the fact that there have been multiple mass casualty Islamist attacks across Europe, it’s not difficult to see why people are fearful.

Is that because some things haven’t been treated as terror attacks, though? I mean, this sounds quite similar to a terror attack (as did Axel Rudakabana tbf - may not technically have been a terror attack but was reported on in a very similar way)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_shooting

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 15:23

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:12

They all related to immigration. The attacker wasn’t an I migrant this time. You were using the attack to further your views on immigration.

They were all about the increased risk of male violence when tens of thousand of undocumented men arrive in small towns.

EasternStandard · 03/11/2025 15:23

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:21

No I’m not as concerned about people posting things as I would be on a train in that situation
The post was about immigration, not the train. I don’t think your reading comprehension is poor, therefore the only reason to mix those up are if you still think they are basically the same issue.
And that’s the last question of yours I’m responding to.

No I’m saying what two things I’m thinking of. I don’t get the immigration post and it wasn’t in mind when I responded.

It’s not relevant to me, how people react to SM over attacks is, hence posts on that. I know how I feel of course.

Gloriia · 03/11/2025 15:24

I've no idea why people get so upset when some wonder if what sounds like a terrorist attack is a terrorist attack.

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:25

Gloriia · 03/11/2025 15:22

What is your point? Most mass atrocities are jihadis nowadays. This one wasn't but it is absolutely understandable to think it may be as they usually are.

It isn't personal to the jihadis it is based in what has happened in recent years.

67%. Roughly 2/3rds. All atrocities are…well…atrocious. Nobody is minimising them. Just pointing out that it’s nit massively reasonable to jump to jihadi/islamist/whatever word some of you will accept terrorism every time there’s a violent incident, even before anyone confirms terrorism.

DuncinToffee · 03/11/2025 15:25

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 15:23

They were all about the increased risk of male violence when tens of thousand of undocumented men arrive in small towns.

Many of the hotel shouters do have troublesome backgrounds with violence and domestic abuse indeed.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 15:25

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:18

Shifting the goal posts then? At the time people were declaring it must be Islamist terrorism we didn’t know the race if the attackers. Plus of course more Islamist terrorists are Muslim (and therefore majority non-white) than other sorts of terrorists.

It’s not changing the goal posts to really analyse statistics and what they accurately represent.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 15:25

DuncinToffee · 03/11/2025 15:25

Many of the hotel shouters do have troublesome backgrounds with violence and domestic abuse indeed.

We have a male violence problem. We don’t need more violent males.

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:26

LaserPumpkin · 03/11/2025 15:22

Is that because some things haven’t been treated as terror attacks, though? I mean, this sounds quite similar to a terror attack (as did Axel Rudakabana tbf - may not technically have been a terror attack but was reported on in a very similar way)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_shooting

The things not treated as terror attacks aren’t terror attacks, so why would they affect statistics?

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 15:27

LaserPumpkin · 03/11/2025 15:22

Is that because some things haven’t been treated as terror attacks, though? I mean, this sounds quite similar to a terror attack (as did Axel Rudakabana tbf - may not technically have been a terror attack but was reported on in a very similar way)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_shooting

Misogynistic mass murder should be classed as terrorism IMO

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:28

Gloriia · 03/11/2025 15:24

I've no idea why people get so upset when some wonder if what sounds like a terrorist attack is a terrorist attack.

They don’t. They get upset when people assume it’s a terror attack, then further assume it’s Islamist and committed by an asylum seeker, then post a load of bike about asylum seekers, then move on to say black British people aren't as British as white British people.
You may not have done that. Therefore the upset isn't direct ed at you. Many did though.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 03/11/2025 15:28

DuncinToffee · 03/11/2025 15:17

Can you tell me which immigration is not controlled by the government?

The ones entering illegally? 😂😂😂

Gloriia · 03/11/2025 15:28

cardibach · 03/11/2025 15:25

67%. Roughly 2/3rds. All atrocities are…well…atrocious. Nobody is minimising them. Just pointing out that it’s nit massively reasonable to jump to jihadi/islamist/whatever word some of you will accept terrorism every time there’s a violent incident, even before anyone confirms terrorism.

It is reasonable! If someone is mugged I don't presume it's a jihadi but when you hear of a mass attack it is normal to wonder nowadays. What is wrong with that??

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