Stabbing in a train in Huntingdon

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm2zvjx1z14t

2 arrested. I can't imagine how awful this was for the victims

I agree with you entirely. It's hobsons choice. Civil disorder vs unchecked immigration of violent men.

It's ridiculous isn't it. Yes of course she wasn't purposefully trying to get out of paying the licence but if she's too stupid to check the details in domestic finances then what on earth is she missing with the nations finances.

It's a snapshot of her incompetence, much like Rayner.

Well, if they are not - it will doubtless be leaked anyway.

Better that the (government) are up front.

It is being treated as a terrorist incident and 9 of the 10 victims are described as ‘fighting for their lives’. There is no guarantee that they all make it.

44% of our trade is with the EU, plus huge amounts of travel.

Our FTA with them would go and there would possibly be a military clash.

btw i'm not saying Don't do this, i'm pointing out the cost to our economy, France threatened to close channel trade during Covid, it changed Govt policy at the time.

And if people really were interested, they’d seek to understand the experience of the parents, grandparents and 2nd and 3rd generation kids. To understand what happened to make some of them so disenfranchised and angry that they do these things.

But we do understand. They're radicalised by Islamists, and apparently being born to Muslim parents in a Western society makes them vulnerable to that. Same pattern in France.

Speculation is rife. The police need to make a statement sharpish.
We dont want another Southport situation

i agree with this

No doubt there is a slew of lawyers rushing to represent the perpetrators of this crime. For a start the evil policeman who tasered the poor alleged knifeman will be hauled over the coals.

You've misunderstood me.

This. But it shouldn't need to be said, it should be bloody obvious.

But they'll be posters pretzeling themselves to tell you that your wrong.

And if people really were interested, they’d seek to understand the experience of the parents, grandparents and 2nd and 3rd generation kids. To understand what happened to make some of them so disenfranchised and angry that they do these things. Most people in this situation do not go on to commit these acts.

@LeafyMcLeafFace but the same argument can be used for the rise of far right extremism, they are angry and disenfranchised.

Other countries in the EU are talking of leaving or the need for amendment. However, many are better able to prioritise their own sovereignty because, although they are members, they haven’t incorporated it into domestic law, such they international law takes precedent. They can ignore ECHR rulings because they are advisory. We can’t.

i read it was a black man dressed in black but 2 people have been arrested

@LittleMi55Nobody where did you read this?

We don't owe violent, hate filled men, endless tea and sympathy FFS. I'd rather focus my empathy on the victims and what they need to recover their lives.

No I don't.
I genuinely don't know what it means. I googled, got a song.

Well said. I was caught up in 7/7 too, it strikes me that the biggest difference between then and now is the presence now of social media and the fear / tribalism / division that it has stoked.

7/7 provoked an outpouring of unity and pride in London and the UK, but judging by many of the comments on this thread this morning we have fallen a long, long way since then.

For God's sake. If this was football fans, or any white perpetrator, every state-approved mouthpiece would have been trumpeting the fact within hours.
The fact that there's been a ten-hour silence on the identity of the perpetrators makes such theories highly unlikely.
It feels very reminiscent of the immediate aftermath of Southport when the govt were desperate to delay announcing that the killer was on a terror watch list and of Rwandan origin.

Yes it’s awful. The rush of posters downplaying the reality for victims because it might be problematic. It happens every time. It happened with Rhiannon Whyte too. Priority given to the perpetrators and lowering direction at them.

And your opinion is peddling the myth that the people coming here are families/children. They’re not. They’re 99% made up of males. You’re just predictably using ‘children drowning’ in an emotive way, when you know that this isn’t the reality.

Nothing to do with towing boats back to France, which is what i was replying too

Children do drown with this system. It’s not good to defend it.