Labour isn't working - Thread 16

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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That will tip me over

I reckon, when you vote, your income should be noted, or even your IQ. Honestly, more people voting for their own largesse. I was in my local highstreet earlier, and some of the people I was walking behind. Multiply that across the country and you have a huge problem.

You are in good company - a lot of us feel the same way. I have war-gamed a not insignificant hit from what I think Reeves will bring in. Yes, I can wear it, but its painful and others will suffer because I will cut back on local contractors etc.

I imagine some people will simply go under - especially older folk who have little income.

It’s abominable, it really is.

Well, no one knows what's actually going to happen, but I remain convinced that gaslighting is part of their strategy

They do know there's no consistency in what they say, i'm quite sure of it.

Imagine being a person who lives on multiple benefits. In a council house. Not paying for prescriptions, getting priority xyz. A free car on pip. Bmw or suv thank you very much.

Half of people probably don’t know a budget is happening much less give a fck about it. Or if they do know, they don’t care because all they’ll get - is a rise. ££££

Beyond belief. Where the US has a gun problem, we in the UK have a Benefit and immigrant problem, agree with PP. Cut the benefits Starmer don’t increase them you utter utter bollard.

*Many people are entitled to claim benefits. I understand that. And those people who need them, should get them. But I’m sorry - we’re past that naive stage now. Too many people are taking the piss whilst mugs like us keep paying for them to do so. It needs to be stopped.

There's a couple of batshit threads that have sprung up today.

Something that occurred to me today were accidental consequences in the commercial sector re collecting rates. So many people working from home now. Commercial buildings mothballed, demolished, repurposed since COVID. What's the loss of income in the commercial sector.

The green sector wanted us to work from home, reduce traffic, pollution, emissions. Well it's happened, the result has to be an enormous loss to the treasury.

Agree, and if they did have any inkling about the budget, they will only care about the cost of booze and fags.
Meanwhile benefits increase in line with inflation.

Interesting thread, thank you

Evening all. Another very busy day not being a working person. Just catching up with the thread.

@Catatemyhomework You sound so stressed, my heart goes out to you. Its awful feeling like that, especially with Xmas just around the corner. You're not alone. This government are absolute twats for prolonging the misery. Hugs to you and yours 💙

@Rexinasaurus Spot on. No need to add a *disclaimer at the bottom. We all know what you mean.

Welcome 👋

Just been flicking around news sites online.

The consensus seems, inevitably, to be that Reeves’s speech was a pointless exercise, and one that only doomed governments attempt: if you’re facing electoral calamity, the wonks tell you to get out early and blame everyone else. But it never works. People see through it straight away.

That speech has sealed her and Starmer’s fates.

The undeniable truth - which in periods of economic crisis, like now, comes home to voters of all outlooks - is that the private sector is the foundation of the economy. And Reeves has cut it off at the knees.

The problem Labour has is that there are no more Blairs or Darlings or even Jenkins within the party. There are no more fiscally sensible senior figures who ‘get’ business and the need for growth by and from business.

This will be a drawn-out, very painful three years ending with the destruction of Labour.

I’m just coming in from my not a job to see all the socialist claimants have been online all day. All justifying taking more tax payers money I see. I can’t wait for the whole system to collapse. I am just sad it will impact those who really need state support. People are not able to work but can spend all day on MN justifying WHY they should have workers money. It’s disgusting.

problem Labour has is that there are no more Blairs or Darlings or even Jenkins within the party. There are no more fiscally sensible senior figures who ‘get’ business and the need for growth by and from business.

Absolutely this and I suspect nor the calibre of civil servants. Unless they're just defying their advice.

Those socialists threads today do leave one open mouthed.

Having been self employed for decades responsible for all the numbers it really is an eye opener how little so many know about budgeting.

Once again, I'm clearly not seeing these threads

I did see one about the New York mayoral election, but I just kept away from it because it would give me the rage.

Thank you for your kind words. I am pretty stressed to be honest. Just fed up with feeling ground down constantly. A small chink of light, such as a meagre payrise, and then darkness again, as wiped out by tax rises. The other thing non workers don't have to do is commuting. My husband has to go to London at least 2 days a week. We don't live in London. Commuting costs should be tax deductible.

yes and the post asking someone why their workplace (small business) is making 10 people out of a job in April. Because after all if there is a job to be done then surely there is money to pay people to do it.

How to tell us you have either never worked- or only ever worked in the public sector -without telling us.

This week's YouGov polling

Reform - 27 (-)
Labour - 20 (+3) **
Cons - 16 (-1)
Green - 16 (-)
LD - 15 (-)

**Last week's 3pp drop for Labour described by YouGov as 'noise in the data', now corrected.

'Noise in the data'? Were they flash mobbed by reform?

MN has historically had a large number of left leaning posters. I can remember when to be openly Tory on here would be to invite the MN equivalent of Amish shunning: run the witch out of town!

It’s a bit different now because the site’s bigger and more diverse. It’s less dominated by ‘right thinking’ posers posting from their west London Smallbone kitchens or low grade uni staff sounding off. That hasn’t helped the standards of grammar but it does mean that the local Labour Party shouters and pamphleteers are more drowned out.

The Labour threads are in that way the last ravings of the retired Bennites and angry self-important campaigners who never grew up. Pity them.

That's it exactly. People who don't work don't understand how many people are losing their jobs right now. It goes over their heads, like the cost of housing and prescriptions, as they don't pay it. Always makes me laugh on here when people spout rubbish about being tax payers because they pay Vat when they buy something. Um, you mean you pay VAT on the thing you've bought with your whopping great state handout. Right. I see....

Absolutely.

It is real, it is happening - people of all demographics/backgrounds are losing their jobs - in a very, very tough environment - they are not bouncing into new positions.

I see it from where I sit.

I don't understand what that means either. Maybe gremlins 🤷‍♂️

Let them have it - that 3%+++ will be erased post budget….

Ooh, Gremlins in the machinery. I like it. It's almost festive... More festive than the John Lewis Christmas advert this year.

Did you get your Christmas delivery slot this morning?