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Labour isn't working - Thread 16

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TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:56

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 03/11/2025 21:40

amicisimma · 03/11/2025 21:39

Lisa Nandy reacts to Nigel Farage's speech: "You just can't trust a word Reform say."

(BBC website)

Ha! Pot, kettle.

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EasternStandard · 03/11/2025 21:41

amicisimma · 03/11/2025 21:39

Lisa Nandy reacts to Nigel Farage's speech: "You just can't trust a word Reform say."

(BBC website)

We know the feeling Labour

Rivalled · 03/11/2025 21:48

I’d love to know where they think the evidence is that they’ve rebuilt political stability…

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EmeraldRoulette · 03/11/2025 21:51

TheNuthatch · 03/11/2025 21:30

I don't know really, but I've noticed a difference. She just looks wide-eyed recently. I feel quite concerned for her health when I see that she's clearly struggling to cope.

maybe she's just finding everything completely unbelievable 🤪

TheNuthatch · 03/11/2025 21:56

EmeraldRoulette · 03/11/2025 21:51

maybe she's just finding everything completely unbelievable 🤪

Possibly. Or she's taking a hip flask to work. I look like that when I've been on the sauce 😂

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SamHain25 · 03/11/2025 22:05

EasternStandard · 03/11/2025 21:41

We know the feeling Labour

And the bbc

SamHain25 · 03/11/2025 22:07

Rivalled · 03/11/2025 21:48

I’d love to know where they think the evidence is that they’ve rebuilt political stability…

How long is "phase 2"?

EmpressoftheMundane · 03/11/2025 22:16

Watching BBC news, but no mention of their Panorama shenanigans. Sometimes the BBC reports on itself, but not this time.

Rexinasaurus · 03/11/2025 22:21

Rivalled · 03/11/2025 21:48

I’d love to know where they think the evidence is that they’ve rebuilt political stability…

Evidence? 👀 We know by know that Labour don’t provide evidence or analysis.

They say what they want without any foundation. They say it so much they probably believe their own lies. Again, strong Trump parallels.

strawberrybubblegum · 03/11/2025 22:23

Rivalled · 03/11/2025 21:48

I’d love to know where they think the evidence is that they’ve rebuilt political stability…

Ah, but remember: in Labour newspeak, people with no jobs are 'working people', whereas people paying income tax aren't... and people with penises are better women than those without...

So actually, they have rebuilt political statutory. It's just tbat it's the kind of political stability where deputy leaders underpay stamp duty, homelessness ministers evict tenants, economic growth is demonstrated through business closures and rising unemployment, and 'treading lightly on our lives' involves 2 budgets with unprecedented tax rises on anyone still working alongside inflationary welfare increases.

That kind of political stability.

DrPrunesqualer · 03/11/2025 23:15

strawberrybubblegum · 03/11/2025 22:23

Ah, but remember: in Labour newspeak, people with no jobs are 'working people', whereas people paying income tax aren't... and people with penises are better women than those without...

So actually, they have rebuilt political statutory. It's just tbat it's the kind of political stability where deputy leaders underpay stamp duty, homelessness ministers evict tenants, economic growth is demonstrated through business closures and rising unemployment, and 'treading lightly on our lives' involves 2 budgets with unprecedented tax rises on anyone still working alongside inflationary welfare increases.

That kind of political stability.

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Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 04:06

Rachel Reeves will indicate she is prepared to break Labour’s manifesto promise not to raise income tax.

In a rare pre-Budget press conference on Tuesday, the Chancellor will insist she will take the “necessary” steps to right public finances for “years to come”.

The Treasury has not knocked down speculation that an increase in income tax rates – potentially by as much as 2p – is being considered in her Budget on Nov 26 to fill a financial black hole.

Ms Reeves will address this speculation head on, insisting she has to make “important choices” for the economy.

It comes after the Prime Minister’s official spokesman repeatedly refused on Monday to stand by Labour’s pledge last summer not to increase income tax, National Insurance or VAT.

Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 04:23

We will not raise income tax. We will not raise National Insurance. We will not raise VAT. That is a manifesto commitment - Keir Starmer

We have already drawn a line under… tax rises last year, and we will never have to repeat a Budget like that again - Rachel Reeves

LIARS.

FT

Sir Keir Starmer has put Labour MPs on alert for hefty tax rises in this month’s Budget — including a possible income tax increase — as he promised to reduce Britain’s national debt but ruled out deep cuts to public spending. The prime minister told Labour MPs at a private Westminster meeting on Monday that the Budget would be based on “tough but fair decisions” and admitted the backdrop to the crunch fiscal statement was “worse than even we feared”.

Many Labour MPs are resigned to chancellor Rachel Reeves breaking the party’s election manifesto promise not to raise the rates of income tax, national insurance or value added tax. Starmer heightened speculation of an income tax rise when he told the Westminster meeting that the November 26 Budget would reject “austerity” — deep cuts to public spending — and the NHS would be protected.

Labour MPs fear a massive public backlash if Reeves does increase income tax, just as she provoked business ire with her £25bn rise in employer national insurance contributions in her first Budget last year. One Labour MP said with an element of gallows humour: “At least we will be able to look our employers in the eye and say ‘We aren’t just hitting you, we are hitting employees as well’.”

Reeves will deliver a speech in Downing Street on Tuesday where she will set out in more detail the “Labour values” that will inform her Budget. Reeves will say the Budget will reflect “the priorities of the British people”, namely “protecting the NHS, reducing our national debt and improving the cost of living”. Government officials said Reeves would confirm the investment already announced for the NHS will be “protected” and “won’t be cut back” to help fill a fiscal hole that economists estimate could be as large as £30bn.

In Reeves’ spending review in June, setting out funding plans for the rest of the parliament, the NHS in England received a 3 per cent real-terms rise in annual day-to-day expenditure. Starmer told his MPs that the Budget “will protect public services like the NHS. It will reduce our national debt and improve the cost of living”. He added: “Everyone knows the Budget takes place against a difficult economic backdrop. It’s becoming clearer that the long-term impact of Tory austerity, their botched Brexit deal and the pandemic on Britain’s productivity is worse than even we feared. “Faced with that, we will make the tough but fair decisions to renew our country and build it for the long term.” Starmer claimed the Conservatives and Reform UK would “return us to austerity”.

The determination of Starmer and Reeves to avoid “Tory-style” austerity, coupled with their drive to stabilise the public finances, has pointed towards higher taxes, including on the wealthy. Recommended The FT ViewThe editorial board Britain needs a bold Budget, not just another balancing act Reeves wants to bolster the public finances to reassure financial markets, with the hope of driving down government borrowing costs and helping the Bank of England cut interest rates. But the scale of the challenge confronting Reeves was underlined by research published by the Resolution Foundation think-tank, which estimated she would need to raise taxes by some £26bn and pencil in future spending cuts of £5bn to put the public finances in order and make progress in tackling poverty.

Shadow chancellor Sir Mel Stride said of the potential for big tax rises: “If Rachel Reeves breaks her promises yet again, Keir Starmer must take responsibility and sack her.” An ally of Starmer insisted no decisions had been taken to break Labour’s manifesto tax pledge. “There’s a long way to go,” they said. “The choice is between austerity, letting borrowing rip or taking the tough long-term decisions needed.”

Legolava · 04/11/2025 06:16

They are finished 🤡

Upstartled · 04/11/2025 06:25

“There’s a long way to go,” they said. “The choice is between austerity, letting borrowing rip or taking the tough long-term decisions needed.”

I guess they've finally realised that they've killed off growth completely then? It doesn't seem that there's any hope left that it can do any lifting in the equation.

Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 06:30

Upstartled · 04/11/2025 06:25

“There’s a long way to go,” they said. “The choice is between austerity, letting borrowing rip or taking the tough long-term decisions needed.”

I guess they've finally realised that they've killed off growth completely then? It doesn't seem that there's any hope left that it can do any lifting in the equation.

Yes - they are now firmly on the back foot and playing defense.

The backlash from Reeves’s new gaslighting later today could prove seminal.

Things are getting interesting.

MantleStatue · 04/11/2025 06:33

EmeraldRoulette · 03/11/2025 20:02

Okay, so you've got the link now, but I remember it well

that lovely US ambassador Philip, and I believe another American journalist called James - not sure if I'd remember that correctly - were basically attacked to the point where I wondered if it was a set up. Like the BBC had Actually looked for people who would simply criticise America. And under those circumstances too.

I didn't watch all of it because I just couldn't. It got discussed a lot in the years afterwards, every workplace I went to remembered how dreadful it was and how shocking it was.

I was lucky enough to be invited to the US Embassy a few times before they moved to that other building. They used to share an interesting selection of films for staff and somebody kept inviting me to them, which was really kind. I did a lot of work in the US at the time. I wonder what it's like now. Looking at the New York mayor elections it feels as if there are now a lot of people living there who hate America. Although. In the US I did get told a lot that people see New York as being very separate.

I haven't been for a few years now, but previously I found they are always really welcoming. Funnily enough, the only place I wasn't keen on was Miami. It didn't feel like America. I can't really explain why.

I was also in California during the first inauguration of Obama as president. I've been to California a few times and I absolutely loved it. I have a feeling it would be very different now.

I don't know if this is just a product of age, but it feels like there was a lot of optimism out there in the world everywhere - and now there isn't.

Also possible that I just feel that way because the world isn't going in the direction I like. Obviously, for a lot of people, it is going in the direction they like!

Oh my goodness. THIS is the QT clip that my DH STILL talks about. I was not in the UK for 9/11.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 06:35

So that’s the new spin. We’ve upgraded from difficult decisions to tough long term ones.

They can’t even do the painful hit quickly it’s long and permanent. And only needed because they are utterly shite at fiscal management. Liars and fools.

They got it so, so wrong.

Parsley4321 · 04/11/2025 06:40

Spirit of Christmas first day and fair few people saying things like we’re leaving so not buying anything we can’t take with us after first couple I thought yep flight is real I do wonder why im going to ask today 😜

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 06:45

Times Radio talking about £50bn needed in tax rises, £40bn last time.

Incredible against those pre GE and post last budget lies.

Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 06:48

Because Labour have caused capital to flee, and higher earners to emigrate/mitigate, they are now reliant on going after the more modest earners, including many of their core voters.

It’s both poetic and beautiful!

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 06:51

Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 06:48

Because Labour have caused capital to flee, and higher earners to emigrate/mitigate, they are now reliant on going after the more modest earners, including many of their core voters.

It’s both poetic and beautiful!

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Yes this was entirely predictable. Any mention pre GE was met with insults and accusations.

I’m not sure whether I can bear listening to Reeves today. Her voice, phrasing and gaslighting make me too annoyed.

Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 06:57

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 06:51

Yes this was entirely predictable. Any mention pre GE was met with insults and accusations.

I’m not sure whether I can bear listening to Reeves today. Her voice, phrasing and gaslighting make me too annoyed.

I know exactly what you mean - that metallic voice, the dead eyed mien, the lies, the deflection, the arrogance…

SamHain25 · 04/11/2025 07:01

Both Reeves and Starmer are incredibly bad orators.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 07:05

Yes it’s painful to listen to either of them, I usually avoid.

Might have to rely on you guys instead, too painful and irritating to listen.

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