Labour isn't working - Thread 16

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5433563-labour-isnt-working-thread-15?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

It starts with 'not a normal working person' If that's any help.

The ‘patronising twit’ got me chuckling.

Coincidentally, you will find some ‘not normal persons’ on the thread itself.

🤣🤣🤣

Advance search my name for today.

Thank you got it.

Meanwhile, the Trotskyists, on their thread, are evidently still looking for clues at the scene of the (Huntingdon) crime.

I missed that one. I decided it wasn't worth carrying on once the bot-callers came along!

Yes ik what you mean. Probably watching here still.

Behind with the thread again

probably everyone's asleep now

But just an observation
The attitude to landlords here is bizarre.

I'm actually surprised anyone can still be bothered to landlord, but that's about the law and it has nothing to do with the new one.

I’m awake. Yes agree, we sold the house we were letting out, last year. Pointless and too bothersome these days. We had terrible tenants a few years ago, caused 20,000£ damage. They’d be in control with the RRB. No thanks. Then the last few yrs we had great tenants who were sad they had to leave. Oh well.

@Rexinasaurus 20,000! That's shocking.
I feel for you.

I don't really know much aboutthe renters reform bill - to be honest I haven't really looked at it. I've heard a lot of conflicting information though.

I've never got over the fact that landlords don't have an enforceable contract on the side of giving notice. I mean, they actually have to go to court to sort it out. That doesn't seem right to me.

Maybe it worked okay in the past when people behaved differently. But I also don't understand why residential squatting was so hard to deal with until it got changed, and even now, squatting in commercial buildings hasn't been sorted. I think there's a few empty properties in London having issues with it and there was an issue with it locally, I still don't know how that got sorted. Wonder if the people got paid off. just glad it didn't turn into a nightmare.

Welsh government draft budget to be published - BBC News https://share.google/dUemkhNlwmBbrbvCU

@justasking111 how are you feeling? I mean your health, not about the budget. Though obviously you can tell me that too 😂

We are landlords too and have always prided ourselves on being exceptionally good. Repair things promptly. Gave a rent break during covid. Have given our current tenants a 30% below market rate because their circumstances changed and this is what they worked out they could afford and we reasoned that they were good tenants.

That tenant is leaving after 15 years and fuck me the spite she is showing upon leaving has been breathtaking. She has decided that we also needed a licence (we don't in this area) and among other things has just sent us a text saying she plans to sue for the final year of rent, - as she has heard on the news she is entitled to re Rachel Reeves. Now, it's easily rebuffed because we are not in an area where the LA has decided licenses are required but it's hard to not feel angry literally after all the breaks we have given her.

We had 6 BTL always been a good landlord
one tenant after 8 years left £70k of damage re a water leak
one I paid £5k to as going to court would cost £10k no guarantee
one reported me to environmental health for a tile missing in bathroom if she had told me I would of fixed it
one left 59 bags of rubbish despite living 1 min from bin store
we are selling turned all into air babd b and are on the market.
i feel a failure i bought them to provide for my security as I got older however you just can’t do it anymore the laws are ridiculous.
A friend is 82 been landlord forever he has a tenant not paid for 2 years got an eviction after 2 court dates high court baliffs turned up as well as woman from council turned up said tenant has applied for breathing space government initiated and you landlord can do nothing except wait.

Thanks for asking. After three awful nights sleep in a bed at home tried the sofa last night. Blow me slept five hours straight. I'm better being confined. It's sciatic pain lower back not my hip I should add. That's just stiff .

I've just got to be patient. Not easy for me 😁

Re Landlords. I have never been one, but posters recently were arguing that basically it was money for old rope and risk free, more so than having 85k in a bank.

It's impossible to argue with stupid.

This sounds awful. From 2012-2014 we tried to sell our house and considered becoming landlords so we could move on but this was always my fear - the stress of a bad tenant. “Fortunately” we sold in the end (sold house for 35k less than we bought it for in 2008 just before the bloody crash).

So sorry to hear that, it sounds hellish.

It seems to me that this is all part of our social breakdown. It's hard not to see parallels with us subsiding the Welfare state as higher taxpayers - assuming for all those years that our significant contribution was appreciated, and feeling good about helping other people - only to have the very people we've been helping spewing bile at us, makung clear how much they hate us and demanding even more.

The reason we have a deep human instinct to help others in our community is that reciprocal support is hugely protective for everyone. Our ancestors all survived, only by supporting each other. We all expect to help others when we can: and recieve help when we need it.

In a society where it's made clear that the support is only in one direction and will never be reciprocated even if needed - in fact we will be actively sabotaged to make outcomes 'fair' - it makes no sense to help others. And our instincts tell us that too - removing the drive to help others. Our ancestors survived toxic communities too, where they would have been bled dry and abandoned if they hadn't protected themselves from others.

Dark days.

Oh no I've missed this obviously, sorry to hear this.

The sad case of the little boy murdered in wales by his grandparents looked on by his sorry excuse for a mother reminded me of the Hogarth painting where the mother is drinking gin the baby falling into the gutter there is no point in helping people that don’t want to be helped. The kids not being potty trained starting school the parents against the teachers the level of entitlement we are entitled to more more more sadly not Oliver Twist but real life. I have posted on here before and at the risk of boring you all let alone myself I do carboots as I have a hobby decluttering the standards of people are dropping. Turning up in pyjamas kids and adults tattooed all over face hands neck with no teeth migrants who cannot speak one word of English covered women covered kids 3/4 years old I am sick of it. There is no common decency left the welfare state needs serious overhaul but it’s too late. My friend told me her son trained to be an engineer he met a girl with two kids with adhd autism they had one kid he is £500 better off not working and being the kids carer. It’s a joke

The welfare state is a safety net not a lifestyle

Enforcement of a contract is always through the court system; that's what enforcement is.

In an ideal world, nobody would have to go to court to enforce contracts. But that relies on people acting honourably. It also doesn't help landlords that councils tell tenants not to leave until they're evicted, else they won't help them. It's that aspect of housing law which should be addressed, IMO.