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Labour isn't working - Thread 15

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:59

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Upstartled · 29/10/2025 18:08

EmeraldRoulette · 29/10/2025 18:05

BTW, I noticed no one has mentioned the Uxbridge/Hillingdon murder. I understand why not. But to some extent, it shows the fatigue I think.

I found it particularly upsetting that the victim turned out to be a refuse collection worker. Such crucial people in society. I don't mean to suggest one human life is different than another. It just really moved me. I remember when my dad used to stand around early in the morning at Christmas, not that long ago, to give them their Christmas gift money.

It was before all those services were outsourced and you actually knew the local refuse collectors. Now it's all been outsourced around here so they come at different times and you don't know who anyone is. I also knew mine back in the day. I still say good morning when I see any around and about, but honestly in London it became pointless. They thought I was being weird, so I stopped doing it.

There's definitely more of a sense of community where I am now, fortunately local street cleaners haven't changed, they know me and mum - but we still have the outsourcing thing with most activities. And we still have a council who have a very healthy balance, but not much of it is spent on stuff that's of value to the local community.

There's no party that I know of, that wants to deal with this sort of thing.

maybe I sound like a total nutter? But was it ever the best model, the way council services are run now? Is it about trying to provide too much?

Yeah, it might be fatigue. It is endless. What caught me was the man who died was a good samaritan who intervened to save the boy and his Dad. Such a brave a selfless act, and a tragic loss of life.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 18:09

@EmeraldRouletteI’m so sad he died, I just think we’re not doing a good job atm at keeping people safe.

@justasking111well done, rest up!

AbsentosaurusRex · 29/10/2025 18:18

SpaceRaccoon · 29/10/2025 18:08

The Uxbridge murder is getting a lot of traction on X - I agree it's very upsetting to see the image of that poor man in his work uniform. He should have been entitled to his peaceful life.

Apparently he’d housed the Afghan asylum seeker who killed him. 😶

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Nolletimiere · 29/10/2025 18:28

AbsentosaurusRex · 29/10/2025 18:18

Apparently he’d housed the Afghan asylum seeker who killed him. 😶

Dear oh dear - how utterly awful.

That poor man.

It places everything else into perspective, doesn’t it?

Upstartled · 29/10/2025 18:29

AbsentosaurusRex · 29/10/2025 18:18

Apparently he’d housed the Afghan asylum seeker who killed him. 😶

Oh, that's some update. Thanks.

Nolletimiere · 29/10/2025 18:34

Sorry to return to the markets, but the Fed just cut (partly citing jobs market weakness).

Bailey will now throw Reeves a bone, for sure.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2025 18:41

Upstartled · 29/10/2025 18:29

Oh, that's some update. Thanks.

It looks like it wasn't him who'd housed his killer, as he wasn't known to him (BBC). The murderer was known to the two people injured, however.

EmeraldRoulette · 29/10/2025 18:48

I hadn't realised Wayne was a good Samaritan. Yeah, that makes it even worse.

@EasternStandard we shouldn't have to think about keeping people safe when they're just pottering along their own road.

I looked at some figures last night and I feel as if there must be a link between a new government and the increased numbers. I suppose anyone coming here knows that the current government is likely to be softer on them.

something else I heard in the pub, from the same man who disputed that Hadush Kebatu had committed an actual sexual assault, was "they can't complain about hotels and barracks being used. These people have to go somewhere". I really hope he changes his mind. I think he falls into the category of person who can't really think about it until it happens to them.

AbsentosaurusRex · 29/10/2025 18:55

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2025 18:41

It looks like it wasn't him who'd housed his killer, as he wasn't known to him (BBC). The murderer was known to the two people injured, however.

Ah ok. The story’s been updated since I read it yesterday. He was a peacekeeper trying to help. FFS.

The story I read said they’d run out of the house being chased by the killer. I wonder then, where he lived. Time will tell.

Poor bloke and his family 🥺

Nolletimiere · 29/10/2025 19:01

Remember this?
Tax dominated the first head-to-head debate between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer with the prime minister making an eye-catching claim about what Labour’s plans would involve. Sunak claimed “independent Treasury officials” had costed Labour’s policies “and they amount to a £2,000 tax rise for everyone”.

Starmer dismissed the claim as “absolute garbage”. Labour’s front bench went further, accusing Sunak of telling a “big desperate lie”. How outraged Labour was about Rishi telling the country they would raise everyone’s taxes. They really are the most cynical liars.

And now, Labour have landed themselves in the worst of all worlds - 16 months of uncertainty, and adjusting distortive taxes that raise little revenue - ultimately to break their promise regardless. The environment was perfectly clear 18 months ago - Brexit, Trump and Ukraine are not new risks.

Would Labour have it that they were stupid and naive, or simply dishonest?

CYNICAL LIARS...

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 19:09

Nolletimiere · 29/10/2025 19:01

Remember this?
Tax dominated the first head-to-head debate between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer with the prime minister making an eye-catching claim about what Labour’s plans would involve. Sunak claimed “independent Treasury officials” had costed Labour’s policies “and they amount to a £2,000 tax rise for everyone”.

Starmer dismissed the claim as “absolute garbage”. Labour’s front bench went further, accusing Sunak of telling a “big desperate lie”. How outraged Labour was about Rishi telling the country they would raise everyone’s taxes. They really are the most cynical liars.

And now, Labour have landed themselves in the worst of all worlds - 16 months of uncertainty, and adjusting distortive taxes that raise little revenue - ultimately to break their promise regardless. The environment was perfectly clear 18 months ago - Brexit, Trump and Ukraine are not new risks.

Would Labour have it that they were stupid and naive, or simply dishonest?

CYNICAL LIARS...

Yes I remember it. The media and posters on here.

TheNuthatch · 29/10/2025 19:13

We're not really interested in Farage over here. Thanks anyway.

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TheNuthatch · 29/10/2025 19:15

Nolletimiere · 29/10/2025 19:01

Remember this?
Tax dominated the first head-to-head debate between Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer with the prime minister making an eye-catching claim about what Labour’s plans would involve. Sunak claimed “independent Treasury officials” had costed Labour’s policies “and they amount to a £2,000 tax rise for everyone”.

Starmer dismissed the claim as “absolute garbage”. Labour’s front bench went further, accusing Sunak of telling a “big desperate lie”. How outraged Labour was about Rishi telling the country they would raise everyone’s taxes. They really are the most cynical liars.

And now, Labour have landed themselves in the worst of all worlds - 16 months of uncertainty, and adjusting distortive taxes that raise little revenue - ultimately to break their promise regardless. The environment was perfectly clear 18 months ago - Brexit, Trump and Ukraine are not new risks.

Would Labour have it that they were stupid and naive, or simply dishonest?

CYNICAL LIARS...

Yes I remember it well. I also remember the response on MN from those advocating for Labour. That worked out so well didn't it.

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placemats · 29/10/2025 19:20

TheNuthatch · 29/10/2025 19:13

We're not really interested in Farage over here. Thanks anyway.

But you are. And clearly don't hide it.

That's all you have to say on this matter? Shameful.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 19:22

placemats · 29/10/2025 19:20

But you are. And clearly don't hide it.

That's all you have to say on this matter? Shameful.

The pro Starmer thread is more for this kind of thing.

TheNuthatch · 29/10/2025 19:24

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SpaceRaccoon · 29/10/2025 19:28

placemats · 29/10/2025 19:20

But you are. And clearly don't hide it.

That's all you have to say on this matter? Shameful.

Why do this? I don't get it.

TheNuthatch · 29/10/2025 19:32

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Nolletimiere · 29/10/2025 19:33

Moving on.

To all those who voted Labour, well done. You fell hook line and sinker, despite all the warnings. A master class in cognitive dissonance, refusing to admit the obvious. I hope you learn from your mistakes, but I certainly would not bet on it.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 19:36

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What a waste of time.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 19:43

Nolletimiere · 29/10/2025 19:33

Moving on.

To all those who voted Labour, well done. You fell hook line and sinker, despite all the warnings. A master class in cognitive dissonance, refusing to admit the obvious. I hope you learn from your mistakes, but I certainly would not bet on it.

I think some posters are feeling a bit spiky going by that interjection. If Labour are making them angry it’s nowt to do with us.

Nolletimiere · 29/10/2025 19:44

Moving on.

It’s funny isn’t it?

Starmer is more than happy to break his commitments to the British people, but
when it comes to his beloved 'International Law', he's a real stickler.

What an absolute joker.

placemats · 29/10/2025 19:44

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A lot of posters from this thread do exactly the same thing and quote me.

Do you support the female survivors when they ask for an apology from Reform leader Nigel Farage?

placemats · 29/10/2025 19:46

Well there's loads of reaction to my post. So...

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