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Labour isn't working - Thread 15

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:59

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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SpaceRaccoon · 31/10/2025 07:03

I’ve not gone that far, I float!

We all float down here 🎈
Happy Halloween everyone.

@justasking111 I hope you feel better soon.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 31/10/2025 07:24

Noodledog · 30/10/2025 21:17

Won't it be lovely when our counterparts on the Other Thread see the light and join us here. We will all put the unpleasantness behind us and join together in a rainbow thread of mutual love and appreciation, and mutual dislike of Starmer. I extend the hand of friendship to my Labour loving sisters! 😘

You sweet soul, you!

I'm joining your appeal in a flurry of cat and dog fur sprinkles! Let the unicorns rise and peace and live triumph across all lands!

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 31/10/2025 07:28

justasking111 · 31/10/2025 06:14

Having been up hourly to pee I'm on the sofa shivering with a cup of tea. How much rummaging did they do digging out a bad hip. I'm hopping mad that the budget maybe delayed again because of this new sideshow.

Sending virtual blanket after carefully removing off the biscuit crumbs from it.

This, too, shall pass.

Just ask Noodledog for some pharmaceutical advice.

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upseedaisee · 31/10/2025 07:46

justasking111 · 31/10/2025 06:14

Having been up hourly to pee I'm on the sofa shivering with a cup of tea. How much rummaging did they do digging out a bad hip. I'm hopping mad that the budget maybe delayed again because of this new sideshow.

Hang on a minute, did you say budget could be delayed again? Won't that be breaking some sort of rule? (not that Labour care about that) Reeves moved the budget from October to to the last possible day she is allowed to announce the budget already, so if they move it again, it may have to be delayed until the spring. Please feel free to correct me if I'm seeing this wrong, I'm not that clever with fiscal rules.

CaveMum · 31/10/2025 07:47

Sending you healing vibes @justasking111

I’ve had my morning chuckle reading the BBC article on the latest with “Your Party” <sung to the tune of Your Song>

Sultana says new party is aiming to 'run government' https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2xjgpg92o

Zarah Sultana speaks into a Radio 4 microphone, in front of a background branded with the Political Thinking logo.

Zarah Sultana says new party is aiming to 'run government'

Changing "people's lives for the better" requires "winning state power", the Coventry South MP says.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2xjgpg92o

upseedaisee · 31/10/2025 07:50

justasking111 · 31/10/2025 06:14

Having been up hourly to pee I'm on the sofa shivering with a cup of tea. How much rummaging did they do digging out a bad hip. I'm hopping mad that the budget maybe delayed again because of this new sideshow.

Oh bless, hope you feel better soon.

Upstartled · 31/10/2025 07:50

Happy Halloween! 🎃 🎃

Labour isn't working - Thread 15
upseedaisee · 31/10/2025 07:52

Upstartled · 31/10/2025 06:51

Sounds like a rough night @justasking111 Hope you get some pain relief soon and a bit of rest.

So, they're not even going to try to reduce pip payments and we are abandoning the two child benefits cap - were just all going to be fleeced so Labour can play the good guy?

Or at least they can for one more year - I mean they've tapped borrowing in '24, hiked taxes to the hilt in '25, who is going to be picking up the tab for growing unemployment, lower productivity and gloomy outlook in '26?

The IMF. I stand by my prediction of a bailout by Easter. It's looking more and more likely.

Rivalled · 31/10/2025 08:02

It’s an interesting one - if trying to go for even more tax pushes us further into a downturn, and then we can’t afford our debt repayments, surely cutting spending is the only way to go? Could end up in a vicious circle….

govt probably should be ok for this quarter as the retail spending has got to be strongest this quarter….

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 08:09

Upstartled · 31/10/2025 07:50

Happy Halloween! 🎃 🎃

Brilliant

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 08:15

Ridiculous Labour interview this morning with MP claiming it’s Reeves who should be ‘grumpy’ over the licence stuff. Because people are calling her out.

A fuck off over that. Labour are an absolute joke aren’t they.

38thparallel · 31/10/2025 08:22

@justasking111 poor you! I hope you feel better soon.

IDareSay · 31/10/2025 08:26

Under cover of the media kerfuffle over Andrew, we see Labour screwing over women again.

Rules forcing trans people to use birth-sex facilities delayed.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d7cd9e2f-2635-409d-a624-a833611a09fc?shareToken=17ebad4f976c17f4f094a60ccdd4c2a7

Claire Coutinho, the shadow women and equalities minister, told The Times: “Any delay in approving this code puts the safety and dignity of women and girls at risk. The Supreme Court ruling was clear and every organisation has a duty to comply with the law.

“Doing so is not a regulatory burden that needs assessment by government bureaucrats. Bridget Phillipson must get a grip and stop hiding behind process to avoid upsetting her backbenchers.”

#TheLawIsTheLaw

Rules forcing trans people to use birth-sex facilities delayed

The Equality and Human Rights Commission set out statutory guidance on how gyms, clubs and hospitals must judge single-sex spaces based on biology

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d7cd9e2f-2635-409d-a624-a833611a09fc?shareToken=17ebad4f976c17f4f094a60ccdd4c2a7

Aweekoffwork · 31/10/2025 08:27

Can someone give me a valid reason, or can I Google it, as to why our Government are sending £Millions overseas?

as an example, but there are others:

millions to a fertility clinic in Pakistan
millions to a Turkish glass factory who have no intention of setting up in the UK
millions to restore Gaza

They’re trying to fill a £40Billion black hole …surely this is not helping? Or is this money coming from a different pot?

NoWordForFluffy · 31/10/2025 08:33

IDareSay · 31/10/2025 08:26

Under cover of the media kerfuffle over Andrew, we see Labour screwing over women again.

Rules forcing trans people to use birth-sex facilities delayed.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d7cd9e2f-2635-409d-a624-a833611a09fc?shareToken=17ebad4f976c17f4f094a60ccdd4c2a7

Claire Coutinho, the shadow women and equalities minister, told The Times: “Any delay in approving this code puts the safety and dignity of women and girls at risk. The Supreme Court ruling was clear and every organisation has a duty to comply with the law.

“Doing so is not a regulatory burden that needs assessment by government bureaucrats. Bridget Phillipson must get a grip and stop hiding behind process to avoid upsetting her backbenchers.”

#TheLawIsTheLaw

There's a separate thread on this in FWR.

Unfortunately for the men with lady-feelz, the law is the law, regardless as to whether any guidance has been published (as the EHRC point out in that article).

Sadly, it does look like more law suits will be needed to get organisations and employers to actually comply with the law.

NoWordForFluffy · 31/10/2025 08:33

CaveMum · 31/10/2025 07:47

Sending you healing vibes @justasking111

I’ve had my morning chuckle reading the BBC article on the latest with “Your Party” <sung to the tune of Your Song>

Sultana says new party is aiming to 'run government' https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2xjgpg92o

They couldn't run a fucking bath. Dear god.

SpaceRaccoon · 31/10/2025 08:38

They’re trying to fill a £40Billion black hole …surely this is not helping? Or is this money coming from a different pot?

I'm no expert but I don't see how really, as there's literally just one taxpayer pot ultimately.
I don't have a total objection to foreign aid, but it's badly out of hand and poorly targetted imo - I'd support initiatives in very poor countries for things like literacy, clean drinking water, malaria prevention etc. I don't think Turkey qualifies!

DancingFerret · 31/10/2025 08:39

NoWordForFluffy · 31/10/2025 08:33

They couldn't run a fucking bath. Dear god.

A bit like Labour then.

Nolletimiere · 31/10/2025 08:48

FT

Chancellor Rachel Reeves will stop short of fully scrapping the two-child benefit cap hated by many Labour MPs in next month’s Budget, according to people briefed on her plans. Reeves is expected to announce measures to tackle child poverty on November 26 but Labour MPs concede that finding £3.5bn to abolish the two-child limit against such a grim fiscal backdrop would be tough.

The chancellor is facing a fiscal hole estimated by economists at £30bn or more, exacerbated by a worse than expected downgrade to official productivity forecasts. One Labour official said Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer had indicated at the party’s annual conference in September that he would address problems raised by the cap and that the “end results will be seen in the Budget”.

The official added that a full scrapping of the limit was not expected, but other measures would be announced: “There are live discussions but it’s not a binary thing. There are lots of different ways of doing it.” In July, Reeves indicated she could not afford to spend £3.5bn on ending the two-child cap, introduced by the Conservative government in 2017, after Labour MPs rejected her plan to cut the national welfare bill by £5bn. Pressure has been mounting on the chancellor to act, with Labour’s new deputy leader Lucy Powell leading calls for a reversal of the two-child cap. But support for the idea is far from universal among Labour MPs.

Some Labour MPs are anxious about how they would sell to working families in their constituencies the idea that they will have to pay higher taxes in the Budget, while at the same time benefits to parents with multiple children will increase. “Obviously almost all MPs want it removed, but we seriously need to think about the optics of increasing income tax while removing the cap,” said one Labour MP representing a middle-class seat in southern England. Another MP said: “It would be mad if it did happen.” Reeves was photographed in Downing Street on Wednesday with her diary on display. It had a meeting scheduled to discuss “child poverty”. Several alternatives to scrapping the two-child benefit limit have been mooted, although the left-leaning Resolution Foundation think-tank has argued that failing to abolish it would wreck the government’s child poverty ambitions.

The options include raising the cap to cover three children, exempting families where at least one adult is in paid work, or removing the cap but paying a reduced child benefit element — around two-thirds of the full rate — for third and subsequent children. “Any of these half measures would mean that poverty actually increases under this government,” said Alex Clegg, an economist at the Resolution Foundation. “They are all pretty bad policies.” Other proposals that have been under discussion include exempting families with a disabled child, or those with children under five, delaying the cap until the youngest turns five.

A government spokesman declined to comment on Budget “speculation” and said its child poverty task force would soon publish “an ambitious strategy to tackle the structural and root causes of child poverty”. The spokesman added: “We are investing £500mn in children’s development through the rollout of Best Start family hubs, extending free school meals and ensuring the poorest don’t go hungry in the holidays through a new £1bn crisis support package.”

upseedaisee · 31/10/2025 08:48

IDareSay · 31/10/2025 08:26

Under cover of the media kerfuffle over Andrew, we see Labour screwing over women again.

Rules forcing trans people to use birth-sex facilities delayed.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d7cd9e2f-2635-409d-a624-a833611a09fc?shareToken=17ebad4f976c17f4f094a60ccdd4c2a7

Claire Coutinho, the shadow women and equalities minister, told The Times: “Any delay in approving this code puts the safety and dignity of women and girls at risk. The Supreme Court ruling was clear and every organisation has a duty to comply with the law.

“Doing so is not a regulatory burden that needs assessment by government bureaucrats. Bridget Phillipson must get a grip and stop hiding behind process to avoid upsetting her backbenchers.”

#TheLawIsTheLaw

This is what really grinds my gears about this whole bloody men in womens spaces....

"The newspaper reported that businesses were also concerned, according to the letter, about the potential need to create new gender neutral toilets and changing facilities. One retailer said doing this for its 200 stores would cost about £1.2 million."

As usual, the safety, security and dignity of women is being put at risk. This time for monetary reasons. Godamighty! What is wrong with people?

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 08:48

Good morning 🎃

Sending you healing vibes @justasking111, sounds like a tough night 💙

I love that cartoon @Upstartled 👌

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Nolletimiere · 31/10/2025 08:51

FT

Sir Keir Starmer has put Labour MPs on notice that next month’s Budget must fix Britain’s public finances and win over the bond markets, even if it means breaking an election manifesto pledge not to increase income tax. The prime minister has left open the door to income tax rises, while behind the scenes Labour MPs are being warned higher taxes are needed to build up the fiscal “headroom” against future economic shocks. “People have grown up in a zero interest rate world,” said one Starmer ally, noting Labour MPs were coming to terms with the fact that Britain was spending more than £100bn a year servicing its debt. In private briefings, Treasury ministers are talking Labour MPs through the need for Rachel Reeves to build up her £9.9bn buffer against her own fiscal rules. The IMF and other economists have called for the chancellor to increase it, and markets expect it to grow to perhaps £15bn or £20bn.

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 08:52

Nolletimiere · 31/10/2025 08:48

FT

Chancellor Rachel Reeves will stop short of fully scrapping the two-child benefit cap hated by many Labour MPs in next month’s Budget, according to people briefed on her plans. Reeves is expected to announce measures to tackle child poverty on November 26 but Labour MPs concede that finding £3.5bn to abolish the two-child limit against such a grim fiscal backdrop would be tough.

The chancellor is facing a fiscal hole estimated by economists at £30bn or more, exacerbated by a worse than expected downgrade to official productivity forecasts. One Labour official said Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer had indicated at the party’s annual conference in September that he would address problems raised by the cap and that the “end results will be seen in the Budget”.

The official added that a full scrapping of the limit was not expected, but other measures would be announced: “There are live discussions but it’s not a binary thing. There are lots of different ways of doing it.” In July, Reeves indicated she could not afford to spend £3.5bn on ending the two-child cap, introduced by the Conservative government in 2017, after Labour MPs rejected her plan to cut the national welfare bill by £5bn. Pressure has been mounting on the chancellor to act, with Labour’s new deputy leader Lucy Powell leading calls for a reversal of the two-child cap. But support for the idea is far from universal among Labour MPs.

Some Labour MPs are anxious about how they would sell to working families in their constituencies the idea that they will have to pay higher taxes in the Budget, while at the same time benefits to parents with multiple children will increase. “Obviously almost all MPs want it removed, but we seriously need to think about the optics of increasing income tax while removing the cap,” said one Labour MP representing a middle-class seat in southern England. Another MP said: “It would be mad if it did happen.” Reeves was photographed in Downing Street on Wednesday with her diary on display. It had a meeting scheduled to discuss “child poverty”. Several alternatives to scrapping the two-child benefit limit have been mooted, although the left-leaning Resolution Foundation think-tank has argued that failing to abolish it would wreck the government’s child poverty ambitions.

The options include raising the cap to cover three children, exempting families where at least one adult is in paid work, or removing the cap but paying a reduced child benefit element — around two-thirds of the full rate — for third and subsequent children. “Any of these half measures would mean that poverty actually increases under this government,” said Alex Clegg, an economist at the Resolution Foundation. “They are all pretty bad policies.” Other proposals that have been under discussion include exempting families with a disabled child, or those with children under five, delaying the cap until the youngest turns five.

A government spokesman declined to comment on Budget “speculation” and said its child poverty task force would soon publish “an ambitious strategy to tackle the structural and root causes of child poverty”. The spokesman added: “We are investing £500mn in children’s development through the rollout of Best Start family hubs, extending free school meals and ensuring the poorest don’t go hungry in the holidays through a new £1bn crisis support package.”

Thanks for this. I don’t get the exempting the family with at least one person working line. Do you mean someone would get a payment if they don’t work but those that do wouldn’t?

I’m wondering how that will go down if so

Nolletimiere · 31/10/2025 08:53

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 08:52

Thanks for this. I don’t get the exempting the family with at least one person working line. Do you mean someone would get a payment if they don’t work but those that do wouldn’t?

I’m wondering how that will go down if so

Edited

Yes, that’s how I read it.

I know, bananas isn’t it?

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 08:55

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 08:52

Thanks for this. I don’t get the exempting the family with at least one person working line. Do you mean someone would get a payment if they don’t work but those that do wouldn’t?

I’m wondering how that will go down if so

Edited

I think it's the other way round, so only families where one parent is working be exempt from the cap.

Thanks @Nolletimiere

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