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Labour isn't working - Thread 15

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:59

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Nolletimiere · 31/10/2025 08:56

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 08:55

I think it's the other way round, so only families where one parent is working be exempt from the cap.

Thanks @Nolletimiere

Ah, thanks.

Either way - it will be another line item that we - as the taxpayer - cannot bear.

More madness from this government.

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 08:56

Nolletimiere · 31/10/2025 08:53

Yes, that’s how I read it.

I know, bananas isn’t it?

Just saw your post @TheNuthatchthanks

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 08:57

Is anyone else getting a vibe from the FT that they are currently acting as the chancellor's mouthpiece?

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EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 09:02

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 08:57

Is anyone else getting a vibe from the FT that they are currently acting as the chancellor's mouthpiece?

I don’t subscribe but from what I see here yes that’s possible

ETA I probably should I just have subscription fatigue and stick to what I have

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:06

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 08:15

Ridiculous Labour interview this morning with MP claiming it’s Reeves who should be ‘grumpy’ over the licence stuff. Because people are calling her out.

A fuck off over that. Labour are an absolute joke aren’t they.

I'm glad I missed that. The story about Prince Andrew breaking was rather conveniently timed wasn't it.

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DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 31/10/2025 09:08

Since income tax rises are now being widely touted, I suspect I might be a bit alone on this thread in thinking that breaking their manifesto pledges won’t hurt Labour much at all in the long run.

What I think will hurt them badly is the snowballing and unshakeable reputation for incompetence.

My feeling is that people expect manifestos to be works of fiction, from all parties. But the statements Labour’s made in office - there won’t be another big tax raising budget like the first one, etc - makes them look like clowns. Plus the anger of tax payers of course.

Catatemyhomework · 31/10/2025 09:14

We genuinely cannot afford to pay more income tax. We have never been this broke. Living up to the wire every month. Bills are crippling. Christmas is going to be a non event I think for us.
If they raise income tax and don't cut spending I will be really pissed off.

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 09:15

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 31/10/2025 09:08

Since income tax rises are now being widely touted, I suspect I might be a bit alone on this thread in thinking that breaking their manifesto pledges won’t hurt Labour much at all in the long run.

What I think will hurt them badly is the snowballing and unshakeable reputation for incompetence.

My feeling is that people expect manifestos to be works of fiction, from all parties. But the statements Labour’s made in office - there won’t be another big tax raising budget like the first one, etc - makes them look like clowns. Plus the anger of tax payers of course.

I think it will hurt them because they made such a big meal of it.

This is from @Upstartledand well remembered.

"But I have made an important choice today to keep every single commitment that we made on tax in our manifesto. So I say to working people, I will not increase your national insurance, I will not increase your VAT, and I will not increase your income tax.
Working people will not see higher taxes in their payslips as a result of the choices that I am making today. That is a promise made and a promise fulfilled"

Reeves, '24 Autumn Budget.

Such nonsense, but all that working people ruse is out.

So what’s left from GE?

’change’ for the worse

smash the gangs - chaos

toolmaker - well maybe but not in a good way

EmeraldRoulette · 31/10/2025 09:19

@justasking111 hello! Hope you recover asap 💐

@Aweekoffwork I agree about foreign aid. Didn't we also give Singapore 80 million for some green washing thing?

I mean, the list is endless.

Also, I was think the government shouldn't fund charities at all really - that list is very long. I thought that before. In the past I've been able to justify it by thinking that some charities, they're probably thinking it saves them money in the sense that they don't have to provide certain things. But then if you look at how many charities get money from government, it's nuts. Essential services shouldn't be left to charity, and there's a huge list that are not providing anything essential at all.

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:28

Catatemyhomework · 31/10/2025 09:14

We genuinely cannot afford to pay more income tax. We have never been this broke. Living up to the wire every month. Bills are crippling. Christmas is going to be a non event I think for us.
If they raise income tax and don't cut spending I will be really pissed off.

You must be worried. Sorry things are tough for you. Its not fucking funny to put taxes up when people are already struggling.
Its a bitter pill to swallow if welfare recipients see their payments rise with inflation.

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TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:33

EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 09:15

I think it will hurt them because they made such a big meal of it.

This is from @Upstartledand well remembered.

"But I have made an important choice today to keep every single commitment that we made on tax in our manifesto. So I say to working people, I will not increase your national insurance, I will not increase your VAT, and I will not increase your income tax.
Working people will not see higher taxes in their payslips as a result of the choices that I am making today. That is a promise made and a promise fulfilled"

Reeves, '24 Autumn Budget.

Such nonsense, but all that working people ruse is out.

So what’s left from GE?

’change’ for the worse

smash the gangs - chaos

toolmaker - well maybe but not in a good way

I agree.
Labour are also ridiculously unpopular, so they don't have enough support to get away with tax rises. They are despised already.

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upseedaisee · 31/10/2025 09:37

I'm sure pensioners will suffer too. How dare we have a comfy retirement having worked for 40+years, paid taxes and NI been constantly broke whilst raising families. Apparently it's only youngsters today who suffer that indignity. So glad I took out savings and cashed in pension pots. The chancellor will get as little as possible from me. On paper my income £13,000

Catatemyhomework · 31/10/2025 09:44

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:28

You must be worried. Sorry things are tough for you. Its not fucking funny to put taxes up when people are already struggling.
Its a bitter pill to swallow if welfare recipients see their payments rise with inflation.

Yes this is the thing. We pay for everything. My pre-payment certificate is due for renewal for prescriptions. Another thing certain people get free that we have to pay for. I don't think people on welfare realise all the other freebies they get too which we don't. I'm trying not to be bitter as I don't like to feel that way and it isn't helpful, but it's becoming harder not to be.

Upstartled · 31/10/2025 09:49

Catatemyhomework · 31/10/2025 09:44

Yes this is the thing. We pay for everything. My pre-payment certificate is due for renewal for prescriptions. Another thing certain people get free that we have to pay for. I don't think people on welfare realise all the other freebies they get too which we don't. I'm trying not to be bitter as I don't like to feel that way and it isn't helpful, but it's becoming harder not to be.

I'm really sorry @Catatemyhomework, it sounds like you are going through it.

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm being one of those - know-it-all twats who focus in on the minor details and ignores the thrust of your point, but you can switch the pre-payment prescription to 10 monthly installments without paying a premium for that option, if that helps.

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:51

Catatemyhomework · 31/10/2025 09:44

Yes this is the thing. We pay for everything. My pre-payment certificate is due for renewal for prescriptions. Another thing certain people get free that we have to pay for. I don't think people on welfare realise all the other freebies they get too which we don't. I'm trying not to be bitter as I don't like to feel that way and it isn't helpful, but it's becoming harder not to be.

I went to the chemist recently to collect a prescription. I was in a big queue, probably 10ish people in front of me, all looked fairly young. As each person got to the counter, the lady behind the counter asked 'do you pay for your prescription'? Every single person said 'no'.
As I got to the counter, she asked me the same question, and I answered 'yes'.
The lady looked up for the first time since I'd been there, and said quite loudly, 'well somebody has to don't they'.

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Catatemyhomework · 31/10/2025 09:53

Upstartled · 31/10/2025 09:49

I'm really sorry @Catatemyhomework, it sounds like you are going through it.

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm being one of those - know-it-all twats who focus in on the minor details and ignores the thrust of your point, but you can switch the pre-payment prescription to 10 monthly installments without paying a premium for that option, if that helps.

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Thank you. I definitely don't think that about you! 🤣
I have now signed up for 3 monthly so at least I don't have the outlay in one hit. It's £30 so not too bad, but some people don't have to pay anything. When I queue up in the pharmacy, I swear I'm the only person who actually pays.

Catatemyhomework · 31/10/2025 09:55

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:51

I went to the chemist recently to collect a prescription. I was in a big queue, probably 10ish people in front of me, all looked fairly young. As each person got to the counter, the lady behind the counter asked 'do you pay for your prescription'? Every single person said 'no'.
As I got to the counter, she asked me the same question, and I answered 'yes'.
The lady looked up for the first time since I'd been there, and said quite loudly, 'well somebody has to don't they'.

Sorry I cross posted with you. Yes, exactly. Somebody has to. Your post made me laugh! 🤣

Rivalled · 31/10/2025 09:56

if they don’t break it this time, they’ll break it next time and that timing won’t be better for them. They don’t have a lot to lose do they?

short of a mob descending on number 10 to protest tax rises and try and force a revolution they couldn’t get a lot less popular - they’re down to scraping the barrel of diehard support as it is.

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EasternStandard · 31/10/2025 10:01

Rivalled · 31/10/2025 09:56

if they don’t break it this time, they’ll break it next time and that timing won’t be better for them. They don’t have a lot to lose do they?

short of a mob descending on number 10 to protest tax rises and try and force a revolution they couldn’t get a lot less popular - they’re down to scraping the barrel of diehard support as it is.

Yep exactly.

Love how they’ve recruited to this thread by being the worst, steaming through new thread already

Nolletimiere · 31/10/2025 10:04

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 08:57

Is anyone else getting a vibe from the FT that they are currently acting as the chancellor's mouthpiece?

They certainly were extremely pro-Labour, although I see it tempering a bit. Many of the posters in their comments section are millennials etc., so they are generally skewed towards Labour, as their chief aim is to lower house prices (so they can buy).

Nolletimiere · 31/10/2025 10:06

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:33

I agree.
Labour are also ridiculously unpopular, so they don't have enough support to get away with tax rises. They are despised already.

‘You can trust a thief, but you can never trust a liar’

Reeves is both.

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 10:14

Nolletimiere · 31/10/2025 10:04

They certainly were extremely pro-Labour, although I see it tempering a bit. Many of the posters in their comments section are millennials etc., so they are generally skewed towards Labour, as their chief aim is to lower house prices (so they can buy).

Thanks.
I cheat and read it on archive, so I rarely see the comments section.
I'm getting the impression the FT are getting their material from Reeves's team atm. Its too lenient.

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Upstartled · 31/10/2025 10:14

I feel quite bad for the labour supporters. An older thread popped up today from the general election board with the title 'What are you most looking forward to when Labour win?'

It's a list of values that people want in a government, stable, calm, the grown ups back in charge, people with expectations that things would have improved after a year of governance.

It's really sad that all that optimism has crumpled into a bag of shite. At least we expected it to be bad.

TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 10:16

Upstartled · 31/10/2025 10:14

I feel quite bad for the labour supporters. An older thread popped up today from the general election board with the title 'What are you most looking forward to when Labour win?'

It's a list of values that people want in a government, stable, calm, the grown ups back in charge, people with expectations that things would have improved after a year of governance.

It's really sad that all that optimism has crumpled into a bag of shite. At least we expected it to be bad.

Yes I remember that thread. Many of them are still defending Labour though. Lord knows what it will take before they concede.

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