Labour isn't working - Thread 15

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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? We were talking about a good search engine that doesn’t always revert to AI? I’m lost but not surprised, this thread moves fast 😃

Actually, I'm just correcting myself here, looking at the voting share - which I did, is misleading, there hasn't been an MRP poll since April when a Lib Lab coalition would deliver the same or more number of seats as Reform and even then, the coalition still wouldn't be enough to provide a majority.

Something is seriously going to have to change with the polls if the fptp system can deliver a left coalition.

Increments.

I met DH who was a dyed in the wool Tory. I was 28 he was 48. I remember feeling like I had to carefully break the news to my Red labour dad 'he thinks Maggie Thatcher had some good policies....'.

Our approach has always been that your politics may be different, but the fundamentals are, if you are a good person, then that is what matters. DH is a good good person. His integrity is rock solid. I thought i would look past his politics and definitely have loved kissing a Tory for decades now. He's the most honest gentle person I have ever met.

Been together 24 years now. He did once comment that when I earned more money and saw how much of it was being squandered by profligate left wing governments and how much I would be despised for it, I would change my tune...

Anyway, 24 years later. Corbyn finished off my membership. Momentum filled me with horror. Starmer, Rayner and Reeves fill me with disgust.

My red labour dad? Well- he thought the joke posted upthread about socialists being cold enough to have their hands in their own pockets was hilarious. He's on Oz and keep sending me information about the absolute shit show Australian Labor is.. He's a 'self funding retiree' as they call it there. Being told that people like him have 'their noses in the trough' when he has struggled and suffered and not taken a penny from the state did it for him. I don't know how he votes now, but I know that he feels nothing but contempt for the Left.

Thanks MantleStatue. They have lost the goodwill of so many motivated and invested supporters. It's no wonder that they are floundering now they've chased them all off.

I've voted mostly Labour for years, admittedly often as a keep-the-SNP-out vote where a Tory vote would have been wasted.
I won't be voting for Labour again though - they've unfortunately hugely surpassed the lowest of my expectations of them, I had no idea how much damage they would do and how quickly.

Darren pocket money Jones is on usual form.

Cut from the Telegraph live reporting:

"The Government’s approach to China is surrounded by a “real sense of opacity”, the chairman of the the joint committee on the national security strategy said.

Concluding the session, Matt Western, the Labour MP, told Lord Hermer and Darren Jones:“You’d accept that the China audit, for whatever reason, this committee has not been able to have access to that entire document.

“So there’s a real sense of opacity at the heart of this government that they don’t want us to know, they don’t want the public to know, and therefore there is a perception of concern about how the government is operating with its relationship to China.”

Mr Jones responded: “I’m sorry the committee feels that way. That’s certainly not the case.”

So, having been told that the general public has absolutely no trust in the Government because they've been as slippery as a worm and as transparent as a brick wall on the shenanigans around the China spy case, his best response is...I'm sorry you feel that way 🤷🏼‍♀️

You'd have thought he'd been accused of eating the last biscuit from the tin not complicit in participating in and covering up a scandal.

The rest is politics today is interesting - Campbell advocating as expected for a more positive platform - definitely in our run fast and break things era…

tbh Labour have got to try to recover a positive narrative.

Yes that’s the ulltimate meaningless non apology isn’t it - not a lot better than you don’t need to know due to it being a state secret.

TLDR: a pox on all their houses!

Yes I know, but if you look back at Emerals's post last night, I was referring to the last paragraph. Not sure she's coming back.

I thought Kemi did well again at PMQs today. I didn't watch it, just listened.
She seems much more confident these days.

The rest is politics was saying negative approvals of -11 to -20s has been enough to get Cameron, Blair, Thatcher etc out. So Starmer is a huge data outlier.

Yes he is.
Starmer is the most unpopular PM since records began. Quite an achievement.

Do they do polling for RR? I’d put money on her winning a few such garlands too!

Ha, yes she is down to -56 on ipsos.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/reform-uk-leads-12-pts-over-labour-both-pm-and-chancellor-hit-historic-low-satisfaction-ratings

-56! And just 13% who think of her positively. 😬 It's enough to make you cry

Kebatu has been deported. He was given £500 to leave after he threatened to disrupt his removal with a legal challenge.
https://news.sky.com/story/hadush-kebatu-migrant-sex-offender-given-500-to-be-deported-after-mistaken-prison-release-13458784

I suspect he didn’t because he’s so infamous he’d be at risk of vigilantes. The paying people not to challenge has been going on for years.

there is no doubt faith in politics is at an all time low.

See also: cursive fucking handwriting! My son really struggled with this and is way happier now he's at high school and has ditched it (he has a laptop for longer pieces of work).

Yes! But to meet statutory expectations and be expected - children must be joining in KS2. If they aren’t, they are not expected writers according to the TAF. Absolute nonsense.

This is shocking!

Right? The whole thing stinks.

Oh!

‘Anyway, I shouldn't really be spending my time with people who are determined to blame one party for everything. I have voted for both - I'm not die hard anything.’

I must say I thought she was referring to t’other thread. Not Our thread! We do not blame one party for everything..

Ah well. Horses for courses..

Bromsgrove South has a by election tomorrow triggered by a Reform councillor who had to resign due to poor health. It's going to be interesting to see how that lands given that it was a seat won in April, in Worcester County Council that returned a reform minority.

As it happens I’ve only ever voted Labour or independent. I was a member for a time. Though I haven’t voted Labour since the real rot started with JC, or maybe I just grew up. My OH has always voted Conservative so we cancelled each others votes out for many years. Whilst I was young and childish and complained about Tory wankers a lot. Now I’m a proud Tory wanker. And it’s all thanks to Labour being utterly utterly shit.