Labour isn't working - Thread 14

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I also heard on the radio that Labour are planning to expand the failing UK/France one-in one-out deal to include other countries, such as Belgium and the Netherlands. The so called Calais Group.

I think Reform's financial policy isn't much more than throwing pasta at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Some of it seems left wing - three child policy, increase in departmental spending but lowering taxation and cutting people from worklessness benefits within four months or if they don't accept a job after two offers isn't from the left playbook.

I'm not sure where I'd place them.

So we can all swap illegals and pretend this is a policy to reduce numbers?

Just seen an "interview " on GB news with Christopher Hope and Lindsay Whittle. What I've taken from that is Mr Whittle is a bit of a twat. Basically blanked him.

Ed. Posted too soon

Yes, and give them a wad of cash as they leave so that they can afford to get on the next dinghy. 🤯

That, I think, sums up the mindset of many Labour voters (including the MN diehard types who occasionally cruise through here): "As long as my benefits keep appearing in my bank account, I don't care or have any interest in how they're funded."

Why are we giving them cash when they leave ffs

Nice. That's a good start. Perhaps that explains why it took him 14 attempts to get elected 😂

Lol..didn't realise he had had that many attempts!

Oh we give them cash when they leave as it persuades them not to hold us up with court cases if they accept - it’s been going on for years as it’s efficient apparently

I agree. Reform haven’t said anything very much about benefits reform and reduction. They are reformulating their economic policy now, but they are a populist party that appeals to the instincts of the left-behind white working class. Nothing wrong with that in itself but many of their voters are benefit recipients.

I do not believe Reform could do anything worthwhile about the economy.

Whittle doesn't come across as the brightest; some commentators are saying PC's policies are closely aligned with Labour, so perhaps the cheering needs to be scaled back.

Whatever, the result speaks volumes - and at first glance it appears the tool in Downing Street should be very worried by the election of the tool in Caerphilly.

I think they’re a mix too, some tax changes are pretty big but there’s the benefit cap thing.

Why are we giving them cash at all?

😂😂 ..it would make sense.. Uh oh Wales, what’s to come in your future. Hint. Look at the fck up that is Scotland.

Whatever, the result speaks volumes - and at first glance it appears the tool in Downing Street should be very worried by the election of the tool in Caerphilly.

😂😂

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Hermer

Labour's Attorney General Lord Hermer has also submitted evidence to the same committee.
In it, he revealed he was informed on 3 September that prosecutors were dropping the case - but was told not to alert other ministers, including the prime minister.
Lord Hermer said he received routine updates from the CPS in August indicating the trial was expected to proceed.
But during a meeting on 3 September, DPP Parkinson confirmed the decision to drop the case.
Lord Hermer said at the DPP's request, he kept the information confidential until police and defendants were informed.
The attorney general said "there is nothing unusual" in the law officers "being requested to keep information about individual prosecution decisions confidential even from senior colleagues".

Nothing to see here Guv, Hermer was just keeping the PM in the dark because the dpp made him - might be more convincing if Ellie Reeves didn't declare yesterday that Doug Wilson, the director general of the office of Lord Hermer, was at a meeting (two days prior to the collapse of the case) where him and government officials discussed the diplomatic consequences of the Chinese spy trial.

Eh? Why would he not tell the PM? Why would he be advised not to? That doesn't make any sense.
I smell 🐂💩 .

Because once the dpp had decided to close the case then he was sworn to secrecy before they told the people in the case - apparently this is true. Although you'd think there would be an exception for the PM 🤷🏼‍♀️

It's just complete coincidence his head honcho was in a meeting talking about the political fall out of the Chinese spy case two days earlier.

Which leads to the obvious solution - reform the court system/appeals process.

Which in itself is infested with the left wing, of course.

Think that’s what’s happened, a lot of fairly moderate people have seen in recent years our inability to get even convicted child abusers out of the country and the courts have lost support.

In Wales we've suckled at the state systems tit for three generations now when the mines went, labour didn't have a backup plan like the Irish. Labour didn't fight for any industry just let them fail. The latest big one being Port Talbot.

We had the Welsh development agency who wooed overseas investors, successfully , we had the Welsh tourist board who wooed overseas tourism again successfully. The Senedd swallowed them both up and shut them down.

Banging our drum business wise is an anathema to them. Westminster lost patience years ago and sidelined us as lazy grifters. And I don't blame them.

The only way for anyone to make money is to be on every benefit going and augment income using the black economy. Like Greece there's two prices for a lot of things. The market price and the cash backhander.

Yes the same people keep saying more but I don’t think it’s doable.

I see the left of Labour are making noises after today, the Burnham lot.

I don’t mind more Labour wrangling, hopefully they’ll not last the whole term.

Latest political economy podcast says they see early signs of more trouble in the number 10 team. It’s not surprising given the state of things.