Labour isn't working - Thread 14

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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The Reform swing is higher than the others

Agreed. A thirty percent rise in popularity from a standing start isn't the usual definition of defeat. And Labour would have heaved a sigh of relief with that vote share.

What's interesting is the Reform pulled those figures in on a narrative of concern about immigration in an area that has only had a whiff of migratory influx.

I think what we are seeing with Plaid and Reform is the defeat of the anywheres to the somewheres. Those parties who are riding on an old story of the benefits of globalisation are slipping.

I find the five survivors demanding that Phillips stays, very odd. Phillips was opposed to an inquiry before Starmer changed his mind. All very convenient.

I suspect revolting tactics from Labour, ringing round and begging for support to avoid another resignation.

I think not ‘smashing the gangs’ hasn’t helped either…

This - am dreading their panic attempts to bribe their client dependents by increasing ‘benefits’ with more taxes on working.

Agreed. And the question is how much they can steal and how much damage they can do in the remaining 3.5 years.

Policies they bring in can be repealed, but the damage in the interim will have been done. Farms, schools and businesses permanently destroyed, wealth-creators and business investment moved abroad, foreign treaties against our interests signed, and millions more non-vetted, state-dependent immigrants arrived and dug in.

Ah yes the ‘one in one out’ nonsense.

It makes sense if you see it through the lens of tactical voting.

I think that would be false hope. There isn't a Plaid -somewhere- equivalent in England to play a political shield between Reform voters and an electoral win.

They might hope the Tories could step in a play the role of the Labour protest vote but they'd probably have to desist from calling them Nazis first 🤣

😬😂

God the talk of more tax and borrowing from struggling Labour lot on the radio. I just hope they get eviscerated for it.

Scrabbling round for an explanation for his defeat in Caerphilly, Nick Thomas-Symonds said the message he received on the doorsteps is people are frustrated with Labour's pace of change, "They want us to go faster."

Is he desperate or deluded? People just want them to go. Period.

Every conversation that takes us down the path of more borrowing should start with how much it currently costs us to service our debts and how many median wage earner's tax receipts it requires to pay that interest. A bit of context might be illuminating.

Something about being ‘bold’ which means taxes on everyone, upping the top tax rate and something about borrowing.

If the thing you’re doing isn’t working the idea is to do more of it.

Perhaps the markets will deliver their verdict and help us out of Labour hideousness.

It would be every bit as mad as what truss rushed in to expand tax and spend more when we can’t afford our current spending..

Definitely the latter, especially since their trouncing in Caerphilly. This Labour government is vindictive; Reeves is probably right now dreaming up an even more punitive budget than the pundits have predicted.

It’s rather embarrassing for Labour that they’ve lost a 100yr old stronghold so heavily, and the labour luvvies aren’t saying much about it. But they Are proclaiming how amazing it is that Wales didn’t vote Reform. 😂🙈 They’re happy that a party who campaign on the basis of Welsh independence wins. We’ve all seen how well that works out in Scotland.. But yey!!

Again strong cognitive dissonance in action. Historians will have a great time writing about this period, in future.

Meanwhile I think Labour voters need to accept that they’ll have to vote Conservative at the next GE. 👀

Still four bloody weeks till the Autumn budget. It's a white knuckle ride now just to see if Labour will burn the house down to crowbar a bit of support from the public.

The swing on the Reform vote is 34.2 I wonder what the highest ever is

I googled it’s a bit higher than that

They’ve Surely got to increase income tax from the bottom, basic rate +1p. It’s about time everyone paid towards the state bill that Labour are happily increasing. Whilst the UK welcomes c.1mill immigrants a year, it ain’t going to get any better.

And the next 3.5 years. Who even wants Labour? Not even the diehards.

Thats an excellent result for Reform.

Tbf, I think we have receded significantly from the 1m legal migration figure - is it 5/600 000 now - it does make the illegal immigration ratio look all the more startling now.

I have no idea what they'll do. What they should do is reduce taxation cliff edges, take their foot off the neck of businesses and drastically cut state dependency.

But, re tax hikes, I doubt they'd be willing to take a political hit of reducing the value of working against the value living entirely on benefits even further, so I think that taxation burden will fall outside of basic rate.

The ‘disaster’ for Reform line is bizarre. Hardly anyone gets this swing.

If they can replicate it they’re looking better than most. I’m sure someone will work it out in terms of how it reshapes politics.

DancingFerret · Today 09:27

Scrabbling round for an explanation for his defeat in Caerphilly, Nick Thomas-Symonds said the message he received on the doorsteps is people are frustrated with Labour's pace of change, "They want us to go faster.

This reminds me of the excuses made for Corbyn’s flop in 2019.
“Labour did badly because it wasn’t left wing enough”
So, because Labour wasn’t left wing enough, people voted Tory?

take their foot off the neck of businesses and drastically cut state dependency.

Yes that too. Of course. That’s what they Should do. They’re at rock bottom, nothing to lose, no one wants them, no one can get rid of them, WTF they will do is scary to contemplate.