Labour isn't working - Thread 14

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5427475-labour-isnt-working-thread-13?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

In terms of ‘we look out for each other’ we still do have an issue with weighting and dependency. It’s too high. The figures in that pp show the problem.

Why are you assuming that no-one on this thread has experience with life limiting illness please? Or the benefits attached? You'd be wrong.
It's quite rude to come on this thread and accuse posters of lacking in human kindness when you know nothing of the personal circumstances of those you are addressing.
Nobody has suggested that those in genuine need should suffer, but I don't accept that the UK is becoming more disabled than pre-covid. Do you?
I would like to see a return to face-to-face appointments for PIP for a start, but I disagreed with the government's recent bill to cut welfare as it was based on date of application rather than the condition which would have created a two tier system. As things stand, we have a system where those on long term sickness benefits are better off than many who work. That needs to change if there is any hope of reducing the unsustainable welfare bill.

Very true. Let me know when you find a home! Feeling very similar thoughts…

And if I was being cynical, labour’s dropping the university target for a widening to include apprenticeships is simply a stalking horse for allowing university numbers to fall instead of tuition fees to rise further.

I’m sure they reckon apprenticeships will be cheaper to fund.

there are no great plans on post 16 education.

NW.

In terms of the treatment of dividends?

I don’t just drop in. I’ve been in MN since 2008. I’m unsure why you are asking if I have a cat?? I don’t. I don’t at all feel insulted. I’m more shocked and saddened by the narrative here. I am genuinely concerned for what I see with the vulnerable in society and that people assume fraud above the minuscule levels?

It's often said that benefit fraud levels are low. What that means is levels of detected fraud. Let's not forget it took the Bulgarian police to tell us about a massive benefit fraud that our own authorities were apparently unaware of.

The growth of dependency is not sustainable, that’s what the earlier post was highlighting.

Are you saddened by the way this Labour government has failed to reduce the dependency on the state through the promised growth they said they could deliver - not least by taking out massive loans we are now paying massive interest on?

Yes. My accountant has flagged it too.

Apparently more students are opting to live at home and commute to save money. The experience of Freshers etc has palled. Also there's so many international students in halls it can be very lonely these days. DS was overwhelmingly outnumbered in halls. Seven in a flat the overseas students wouldn't clean, wash up, talk to anyone. They'd report the mess weekly to housekeeping who did issue fines. They didn't care. They had a lot more money than the UK students.

So basically, all those Polytechnics that were upgraded to University are now going to be Polythechnics again in all but name all to raise money. At this rate a degree will be worth less than an A level.
The cynic in me says there is a dumbing down happening by the back door.

GTF their manifesto pledges were completely bogus.

Yes I remember this. I saw some of the photos. There were mansions and expensive cars popping up in a small impoverished village in Bulgaria. The entire bloody area was funded by UK benefits.

I haven’t just ‘come onto this thread’ I’ve been a MN member since 2018. I don’t assume anything about anything. Likewise you are making judgements about my lived experience.

Of course. Directors are all super rich though so nobody cares 🙄

I really wish there was an ignore function. Getting sick of these daily drive by incursions.

Yes there’s no real plan to improve higher education and apprenticeships, it’s a response to the uni funding crisis which is effectively going to allow places to be cut in support of other ‘positive destinations’

Lots of micro businesses unaffected by VAT because of low turnover could be hit if the VAT threshold is lowered.

They surely can’t go for SMEs again, warnings from businesses have been clear after NI rise.

It’s like anti growth 101. Make it stop. I hope they’re decimated in all elections by, local or GE.

This is a long running thread. If you've been here since 2008/ 2018 then you'll know the difference about being a member of the site and dropping on to a long running thread to derail, heckle and, you know, just complain about women talking about things that you feel entitled to disrupt.

And I’ve been reading if to years… as I do many threads. I don’t often comment for the very reason that it doesn’t feel like a place when you can have a different option any more… clearly a difference of option is not valid.

I haven't made any judgements at all, I know nothing about you. It is you who is making assumptions.
Happy to chat politely.

I’m confused!! I’m a woman!!! ???