Labour isn't working - Thread 14

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Reeves is rumoured to be going after LLP’s, which again impacts me, as well as lawyers etc.

It’s relentless.

Your evidence for this? Who are these so called fiddlers of the system?

This. Devoid of all
logic is RR.

I'm more in the one nation camp too, most of the time anyway. Voting conservative seems worthwhile for you, from what you've described on here.

Be serious, please.

You seek to distill a complex piece into an asinine question.

Incidentally, of course there is a delta in health outcomes between income levels.

Why don't you go and do your own research and demonstrate why it's true to say that nobody is fiddling the system?

Sorry to hear that this will impact you. I hope this is just another ridiculous kite flying exercises that doesn't survive contact with reality.

I’m not well up on this, but am I right to suppose that LLPs are a legally recognised form of partnership, i.e. as a form of self-employment?

I assume that non-partners who work for LLPs (or any other partnership) are employees in the normal way, so presumably employers NI would be payable in the normal way.

So - here I’m really at sea - is the effect of what Reeves is threatening effectively to make self-employed partners into senior employees?

I guess there might be corporation tax issues in this as well…

It all sounds very dubious.

I assumed this would be to drag LLPs into corporation tax?

Thank you - if it goes through, it will impact a number of professions - I have been half expecting it, being candid.

No-one disputes life can change while we're making other plans; what cannot be disputed is there are those amongst us who plan for a life fully-funded by others, i.e., taxpayers.

High earners are usually intelligent enough to recognise it could all change in a heartbeat and plan accordingly, investing wisely and taking out appropriate income protection insurance.

That said, no-one could have predicted the hideous financial and societal upheaval foisted on this country by this awful greedy and malevolent so-called government.

It relates to the treatment of NI - whereby LLP’s don’t pay the 15%, and the members pay a lower amount.

The net impact will be some LLP’s will dissolve whilst other LLP members will simply retire, quit or cut back on hours.

Remember, a lot of GP’s are LLPs.

I don’t think the main problem is fiddling, the main. Issue is that we’ve let down a generation of young adults (and are adding to this) through education and employment opportunities that didn’t match what they could do. A lot of the young adults who are in a terrible state on disability benefits need to be back in work they can feel proud of, for their own sakes as well as society’s.

we’ve discussed this many times - there’s a problem that the system discourages work and doesn’t get people into it, as the terrible numbers for young people show.

Pretty much - because the LLP benefit would be eroded.

It’s more likely people will just do this. The behavioural element is apparently determined by previous reaction to tax rises (Neidle today) but that doesn’t take into account how fed up people are now.

You can’t keep loading people up without an opting out point.

I'm sorry to hear that. It seems no-one and nothing is safe from the obviously demented wrecking ball known as Reeves.

No plus, if they go after pension lump sums too, how many of that group are taking that as well? The overall increases on the same old people are suffocating, regardless of what’s long term fair.

Ah ok, thanks for explaining.

Interesting that you say you were expecting it. I'm expecting a stealth increase to directors tax.

What have we got here - a ‘fairness’ crusade without any proper consideration of impacts.

Very articulate of you. For the record - You’ve misquoted me - I didn’t say ‘no-one commits fraud’, there will always be some. But the research and statistics are already there. Fraud accounts for a tiny percentage, overturned decisions such as PIP MD’s are common daily occurrences. That means people are losing out on what they should have been given. I was genuinely interested in your own experiences that have made you so steadfast in your opinions. My experience of working with those that are on benefits or applying, who are at their lowest in life, whose lives have changed in a split second, is very different to yours clearly.

😁, you asked, and I quote:
"surely we look out for others still? Or has humankind completely eroded?"

And I answered, the only people I begrudge are those who are swinging the lead.

I didn't say, this was the biggest or only problem with our growing welfare system. Or anything else.

Go and find another bogeyman to feel self righteous alongside.

This. Absolutely. Mental health in schools and in young twenties is at crisis point. Partly Covid, partly the society we live in. They really are a lost generation and then demonised. Small companies struggle to take on apprenticeships, yet the Government continue to push the narrative that this is a viable option. Little proper investment and prioritisation in schools, when it was really needed has meant mental health, behaviour and prospects are worrying for this generation. I have teens myself and see it in their peers and year groups…I have encouraged them to look at moving elsewhere in the future. Take their careers, one in medicine, elsewhere sadly because we need a very strong government to pull us out of this…

Welcome @apples24 I’m also feeling pretty politically homeless. I’d describe myself as centre-right so some of the rhetoric coming from elements of the Conservative Party at the moment makes me nervous.

Labour, Greens and Reform are just NO for me.

I could be persuaded to vote Lib Dem if only they would get their heads out of their arses and acknowledge what a woman actually is rather than pandering to misogynistic loons.

I’d much rather the Tories found their balance again.

I live in a seat that flipped Tory to Lib Dem in 2024 with a majority of just under 500 votes, so could easily be flipped back again.

Completely agree prospects for our young people are dire and worsening.

I’m not being self righteous but if insulting me makes you feel better then I’ll take one for the team… I’m voicing what I see vulnerable people in the UK are dealing with… you can take that or leave it. The narrative that people are swinging the system without substance is not helpful to these people.