Labour isn't working - Thread 13

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Would this be increasing costs on the foreign student numbers that are already falling? Yes that’s labour all around let’s keep chasing profitable areas down the drain…agree on Netflix @MantleStatue 5 years ago they had great Xmas films - clearly it’s not high brow but the most recent ones have been too much even for me.

still, I’ve not seen what’s on Amazon prime for Christmas films so that’s a good plan.

Straight from the horses mouth. It appears to be grants.

www.gov.uk/government/news/targeted-maintenance-grants-for-students-to-be-reintroduced#:~:text=Maintenance%20grants%20%E2%80%93%20abolished%20in%202016,barrier%20to%20accessing%20higher%20education.

Thanks @Catatemyhomework

I also read fees are going up for everyone so some are hammered more. Labour really are rinsing people.

It's all a bit woolly yet about who will qualify, to what amount and on which courses but if it is to be paid for by international students it might well be another self defeating act. I wonder when they'll announce the details?

Yes exactly. This is why I posted it. It's yet another attack on the same people over and over. They're killing the goose that's laying the golden eggs.

I heard it on radio 4 tonight. I couldn't hear it well as the kids were talking. I think it will be in before the end of this Parliament.

Oh no, I didn't mean the information you gave was woolly!! I mean the government information is woolly. They'll be keeping their cards close to their chest to avoid scrutiny.

I wonder if it’s to deflect from hiking fees for everyone. Still it’s the same people being hit over and over.

Honestly, I didn't think you meant me, although my brain is woolly as fuck these days! 🤣

Apologies for depressing everyone with the TRIM link - she’s no Paul Johnson is she?!

For cheering oneself up I would recommend binge watching one or more of the below:

Scrubs
Ghosts
Detectorists
Celebrity Traitors

My other go-tos aren’t exactly “cheering up” material, but they are my comfort tv:

West Wing
Buffy

Yep. They're consistent. I'll say that for them.

Panel Interview with the FT, 5 Sep 2023 (when the FT was unashamedly pro-Labour)

Reeves:
Well, we've got the highest tax burden today since the Second World War. And I don't wake up every morning thinking how we can introduce new taxes. And I don't believe the way to greater prosperity is through higher taxes. We've got to grow our way to higher prosperity.

And that's why all of the policies that Keir and myself have set out have been around this mission to have the highest sustained growth in the G7. And that's the way to improve people's living standards, and have the money that we desperately need for our public services.

So there are differences that a Labour government would make. But a blanket wealth tax? No, that's not our policy. And it's not something I would do if I become chancellor of the exchequer.

Moderator:
But just to be clear, you don't feel the need to sort of act to push redistribution a bit more on wealth?

Reeves:
What I want to see is living standards improve for ordinary working people. But the reason why living standards have been so abysmal these last 13 years is not because taxes aren't high enough. The reason why living standards have been so abysmal is that the economy has not been growing.
Now, I know we've had these revisions, which mean instead of no growth we've now got low growth. I mean, hardly meriting the victory lap the chancellor is now on. We need proper economic growth, sustained economic growth that improves living standards. And that is not through having a wealth tax. It's having a broadly based, strong economy, creating good jobs in all parts of the country. And that is my primary focus as we approach the next election, and for what I would want to do if Labour secure that victory next year.

I understand that you are pissed off, but is there any need for this? I claim Carer's Allowance. My DH claims PIP. We also both worked for 35+ years. We pay tax. We are not "fraudulent benefits scrounging obesity cretins".

I doubt you will care what I think, but there may be other people reading who are in similar situations.

Why do you feel the need to lurk and then periodically post on this thread?

It’s hugely disrespectful.

Why are you unlurking again to be offended by a post which you have clearly identified doesn't refer to you at all?

AbsentosaurusRex responded to one of my posts on the Starmer threads recently (about a woman who drank 15 cans of wine on a plane😁). That wasn't disrespectful. We had a friendly conversation. It is possible.

I'm assuming neither you or your dh are claiming fraudulently? That's what the pp was referring to. I didn't read that as an attack on those in genuine need? My dd also relies on PIP and I wasn't offended by that post.

What are you hoping to get as a result of this post?

I know, right? 🤣

That is fair enough. I thought it was a pretty horrible thing to say. I am allowed an opinion. There is too much benefit bashing on this site.

I think it’s simply an indication of a lack of meaningful content on their own thread…

And why do you feel personally offended?

Absolutely zilch.

You think it's horrible to begrudge benefit fraudsters?

Why bother then?