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Labour isn't working - Thread 13

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TheNuthatch · 14/10/2025 22:45

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Rivalled · 20/10/2025 19:09

I agree it’s terrifying / oh I forgot about the pension lump sum - yet more ways us rich folk are having our cake and eating it. No mention that the average dc pot is tiny, because employer contributions are small and that’s why we need incentives like the tax free lump sums to help people to look after themselves - clearly all very 10 years ago thinking.

Nolletimiere · 20/10/2025 19:13

Helen Miller.

DT, March 2025

The think tank has long taken pride in its purported impartiality, delighting in being described as “independent” by broadcasters when others are labelled “free-market” or “Right-wing”.

But there is seemingly nothing objective about the stance of the IFS’s new director, Helen Miller, who will replace Paul Johnson in July after he held the role of the media’s go-to economic expert for 14 years.

Curiously, this week’s press release announcing Miller’s promotion from deputy director of the IFS, where she has worked since 2007, fails to mention that she has in the past supported the sorts of high tax policies currently being pursued by Labour.

Not only does she back the Chancellor’s death tax on farmers, writing that inheritance tax should “apply equally across all types of assets”, she said it does not go far enough: arguing that the change only “reduce[s]” the relief’s supposedly unfair effects, rather than eliminating them.

Miller is an advocate of subjecting pensions to inheritance tax. She has even mooted the idea of charging capital gains tax on second homes and businesses when people die in addition to inheritance tax, arguing last September: “It is a bad tax relief and I would love it if the Government scrapped it.”

She believes people with larger pensions should have the 25 per cent tax-free component removed altogether. Similar to many Labour MPs, Miller is also in favour of a wealth tax, describing it in 2021 as “an efficient way to raise revenue and ... address existing wealth inequality”.

She supports the idea of raising capital gains towards income tax rates and told a podcast in 2023 that some income was too “lightly taxed.” The tax burden is set to reach post-war highs by the end of this decade. The aim should be “redistribution”, she has repeatedly argued, though many economists argue that a larger welfare state funded through higher taxes stifles growth and discourages employment. In the past she has advised the Left-wing campaign group Tax Justice UK, alongside such luminaries as fox-killing activist Jolyon Maugham.

So much for objectivity.

Rivalled · 20/10/2025 19:19

Yes thought it was a marked change, not surprised to see there @Nolletimiere - they must think she’s a good appointment in influence terms for what they probably hope is 10 years of Labour policies.

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Catatemyhomework · 20/10/2025 19:22

I'm thoroughly depressed now after reading all this.

Catatemyhomework · 20/10/2025 19:29

Bridget Phillipson to raise university tuition fees and maintenance loans in line with inflation. Poorer students to receive more from making international students pay more.

Meanwhile, my kids all live at home and go to local universities and get the minimum as we dare to have an income over 65k. People on benefits can have incomes this high once rent is paid and all the other stuff. I'm tempted to fuck it and stop funding all this.

Catatemyhomework · 20/10/2025 19:33

I reckon it's time to get our snouts firmly in the trough. My blood pressure is raised.

Rivalled · 20/10/2025 19:37

The newspapers and podcasts do like to talk up bad news - I’m sure the new IFS director is trying to make an impact with new tax suggestions - unlikely any of that will come to pass…

it’s tempting though isn’t it…

AbsentosaurusRex · 20/10/2025 19:41

True. The problem is though, whenever I remind myself this is all useless conjecture, and none of us know anything until the budget, I remember. But Labour.

TheNuthatch · 20/10/2025 19:44

I was going to listen to that podcast tonight. Don't think I'll bother after reading the pps.

Paul Johnson (ex IFS) was talking sense on Times Radio this morning. I didn't hear all of it, but he was talking down wealth taxes. He pointed towards something that Spain had introduced recently, but it was raising less than £1bn a year. He basically said, nice idea but it will never work, and never has worked elsewhere. He wasn't impressed with some of the rubbish Polanski has been spouting about taxing the wealthy just for the sake of it.

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Upstartled · 20/10/2025 19:46

Catatemyhomework · 20/10/2025 19:29

Bridget Phillipson to raise university tuition fees and maintenance loans in line with inflation. Poorer students to receive more from making international students pay more.

Meanwhile, my kids all live at home and go to local universities and get the minimum as we dare to have an income over 65k. People on benefits can have incomes this high once rent is paid and all the other stuff. I'm tempted to fuck it and stop funding all this.

We have one in uni on minimum maintenance. Can I just ask what you mean, is it that the maintenance loan is being increased but only for the poorest children - or are they reducing the overall debt for the poorest students through a different mechanism?

Rivalled · 20/10/2025 19:46

No save yourselves, have a nice bath or watch something cheering! I’ve been stalking Netflix for Christmas schmalz but it’s too early yet!

EasternStandard · 20/10/2025 19:47

I’m really enjoying Department Q atm on Netflix

TheNuthatch · 20/10/2025 19:48

AbsentosaurusRex · 20/10/2025 19:41

True. The problem is though, whenever I remind myself this is all useless conjecture, and none of us know anything until the budget, I remember. But Labour.

Yep. Reeves has form.
Look how horrendous Labour's first budget was, and they'd had 14 years to plan that one.
Its the stuff of nightmares.

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Rivalled · 20/10/2025 19:48

Ooooh I’ve been meaning to watch department Q thanks for the reminder!

NoWordForFluffy · 20/10/2025 19:48

Rivalled · 20/10/2025 19:46

No save yourselves, have a nice bath or watch something cheering! I’ve been stalking Netflix for Christmas schmalz but it’s too early yet!

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There's loads of those type of films on Prime!

I too am depressed and concerned about my kids' future after reading this thread.

Upstartled · 20/10/2025 19:49

If you want a ridiculous hammy gross out horror, Thanksgiving is on Netflix - it's almost Christmassy.

Rivalled · 20/10/2025 19:49

Sorry to have bummed everyone out - one upside - Reed said stem jobs and people working with their hands still hot areas.

EasternStandard · 20/10/2025 19:52

Rivalled · 20/10/2025 19:49

Sorry to have bummed everyone out - one upside - Reed said stem jobs and people working with their hands still hot areas.

That’s good

AbsentosaurusRex · 20/10/2025 19:53

Or watch Love Actually. Then directly after watch Die Hard to see Alan Rickman get his comeuppance for what he did to Emma Thompson. 🎄

EmeraldRoulette · 20/10/2025 19:53

Catatemyhomework · 20/10/2025 18:47

I don't know to be honest, but I believe it's cheaper for the employers NI having staff at 20 hours rather than 40. I guess there may be other factors, such as holiday accrual, sick pay, etc making it cheaper to employ part time staff.

Thank you. I keep hearing there's no part-time jobs available! No idea what the figures are though.

re the NCHI - I'm sorry but I don't trust this announcement. Didn't they promise that last year? And we got absolutely nowhere.

And they will still have an interesting definition of hate speech.

MantleStatue · 20/10/2025 19:54

Ive been watching Christmas Schmaltz on Netflix for a week or so now. Maybe if you do a search? There are some good ones but occasionally I have to give up because it's too saccharine even in these desperate times.

Catatemyhomework · 20/10/2025 19:55

Upstartled · 20/10/2025 19:46

We have one in uni on minimum maintenance. Can I just ask what you mean, is it that the maintenance loan is being increased but only for the poorest children - or are they reducing the overall debt for the poorest students through a different mechanism?

The way I understand it is that they are raising all loans in line with inflation, but the poorest students will receive more through an increase in costs to international students. I may have mi's-understood, but I think that's the gist of it. Surely this will stop international students coming and these are people who help fund the English students, so not sure that will work.

EasternStandard · 20/10/2025 19:58

Catatemyhomework · 20/10/2025 19:55

The way I understand it is that they are raising all loans in line with inflation, but the poorest students will receive more through an increase in costs to international students. I may have mi's-understood, but I think that's the gist of it. Surely this will stop international students coming and these are people who help fund the English students, so not sure that will work.

I’m not sure either. Is it a higher loan to that group or a grant?

Catatemyhomework · 20/10/2025 20:01

EasternStandard · 20/10/2025 19:58

I’m not sure either. Is it a higher loan to that group or a grant?

I read on the BBC article that it would be through higher loans but I have read elsewhere that grants will be offered to poorer students. I'll see if I can find the grant link.

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