This poor woman. - why won't the NHS help her?

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I have to say, she is partly to blame for getting her implants from Turkey, but to be left in absolutely awful pain for months, and with no treatment in sight, it's a travesty in this modern world that this poor woman has to suffer as she is clearly in the worst pain and her physical and mental health must be at rock bottom.

Her TikTok account shows her story.

TikTok profile name: djabeyance

Basically, she's got a dreadful infection in her sinuses from the botched implants, which have led to necrosis and her nose is literally rotting away with a huge hole which is where her nostrils were (are?!)

Sorry to post such a sensitive topic, please be aware that it's quite distressing to see her nose.

I understand that the NHS and surgeons will not treat patients who've had any cosmetic surgery from abroad, due to litigation and the risk of any further complications, but it's madness to think this woman is left to suffer.

How do you cope with being sad for people like this? It must be exhausting as there are a lot of them. Now if she has any children I feel sad for them.

Where do you draw the line.

Would you treat someone with cancer because they used talcum powder when it has been known for decades that talcum powder use is linked to certain cancers

Would you treat those with dementia because they have no friends and don’t talk to anyone.

I presume smokers wouldn’t be treated for anything lung related, alcoholics for anything liver related and meat eater for anything to do with digestion, stomach or bowel related

The NHS will be treating the infections, the rest, however extreme, is cosmetic. Do I feel sorry for her? Yep. That sort of infection is very dangerous and I hope they get it sorted.

She does that's the thing. She is obviously very foolish to get the implants from Turkey but it's not fair to say she deserves it or anything (I'm not saying you're saying this).

She's still a mum and human being at the end of the day.

So what counts as a mistake? Given that people choose to drink alcohol, should anyone who drinks alcohol be refused NHS care? What about people who eat unhealthily? Or those that don't exercise?

@AgDulAmach obvious this woman should have care to cure the infection but should she get expensive resconstructive surgery?
Alcoholics being give live transplants has been debated in a similar way. Why not give most help to those who make good decisions and take advice?

We're used to free healthcare, a correct standard for the first world

To be clear, I'm not saying that this particular woman should get all the treatment she wants - I'm sure the NHS is doing what it can. What bothers me is the attitude of posters on this thread that some people 'deserve' treatment and others don't. I don't think that people who express that attitude really understand what they're saying - although that may be too generous, maybe they do understand and they really believe some people should die because others have judged them unworthy?

I’ve just watched some of her videos, and either she doesn’t understand what she’s being told or she’s an unreliable narrator.

There’s a series of videos of her slating the NHS because they won’t diagnose necrotising fasciitis, when from my limited knowledge and all of the comments it’s clear she doesn’t have this. She rants for a while that they keep telling her she has a staff infection but won’t tell her what type of bacterial infection it is - surely it’s staphylococcus - which is shown on her own screenshots, so I’m not sure what the doctor could have said to pacify her on that.

Also I don’t know what the appropriate medical treatment is, but on the basis you can’t just amputate someone’s face, I’m not sure that there is a solution the NHS could give her? They are treating her, but she’s also saying she’s refusing to leave hospital until her face is repaired, despite repeatedly being told that repairs are cosmetic and so won’t be done on the NHS.

So I think she is being treated, but she doesn’t understand what’s wrong with her, the underlying infection isn’t shifting (but given the numerous posts she’s made about stopping taking all of the medicine she’s been prescribed, including antibiotics there’s at least a notable chance that she has contributed to the antibiotic resistance of the infection) and there’s only limited treatment plans - none of which are to rebuild her face and give her new teeth.

She also keeps stating her body is antibiotic resistant, and again a bit of research indicates that’s highly unlikely.

I think we should all pay health insurance (the NHS isn't working and is robbed daily by piss takers ) if you're obese, you smoke, you do risky sports, you're alcohol intake is high, then.....yes! You're premium will be higher. You realise other countries do this right ....!? Or should we take no responsibilities for our choices and let a broken system keep wrapping us up in cotton wool whilst we harangue it and run it in to the ground beating it for not being good enough.

Life isn't one big gravy train.

You do realise all other first world countries (bar UK) have health insurance and privatised healthcare right ? Including the super power countries such as USA?

She’s a taxpayer I assume ?
biiiig assumption there

She stopped taking antibiotics? She stopped the meds they gave her?

Some people you can't help....

There are wanings about having work done abroad.
There is wanings about having work done in the uk.
But its down to the individual to make the right choice.
Lip fillers face filler veneers implants inject this inject that.
Its only the matter of time before your body says enough is enough.

I grew up in Ireland, which didn't have an NHS. Funnily enough, Ireland has now recognised the value of nationalised healthcare and is in the process of putting it in place.

It amazes me that people in the UK are so willing to give up something that has made such an enormous difference in terms of population and personal benefits. The NHS is a genuine good, not a 'gravy train.'

There’s a reason for that though. Training here costs more. Equipment here costs more.

I would never go abroad to have dental work in places like turkey. People go for veneers and are having full sets of crowns at 23….insane.

I imagine if

lots of imaging going on in your attempts to harvest views/sympathy/funding/promotion.

Might be less if she put the full story out there eh?

Not only is her own handling of her recovery (or lack of) an issue.

No cosmetic surgeon in the UK will touch her, NHS or not, because people like her are trouble. And it's their choice whether to operate on people or not.

How do you think the rest of the world works??!

You know that car you drive ? If you've had scrapes and bumps, you'll pay for that in your next insurance premium! Had an accident that wasn't your fault? Your premium is still going up! Want to soup up your exhaust? Yep- going up! Younger or older (things you can't help) yep, up again!

It's called risk assessment. Be it fair or unfair. It's a cold world. Just the way it is. The riskier you are, by your own fault or none of your fault: you will pay more.

Healthcare is no exception in all other countries. We're all spoilt brats with our poor NHS. People are still utterly blind to how good we have got it and still think we should be entitled to more more more without taking responsibility for our own health.

US healthcare is a horrendous shit show.

OMG did she really attempt to stick on veneers with nail glue in unsterile conditions?

My late DB was a drug addict, he had a very unhealthy lifestyle which ultimately led to his demise from.bowel cancer aged 34 .

He was repeatedly told to eat better, sleep well, exercise etc but chose to ignore good medical professionals' advice and paid the ultimate price.

But of course, going by some posted replies on here, by their logic, should he have been left to suffer from bowel cancer and not treated? As some have said, where do you draw the line? As his cancer was most likely self inflicted, would it have been unethical to tell him to go away and not care about him?🤔😞

Naive and desperate people getting surgery or dental treatment abroad are a ticking time bomb. When they're older and those veneers start to weaken and they need urgent treatment the NHS will be patching them up.

There's a good documentary on iplayer at the moment about this, Surgery in the sun.

No. She’s too scared to go back there according to the article she did above.

She was supposed to return four months later to get her permanent teeth, but she said she was too afraid to.

I don't think that it reaching her brain will be an issue...