This poor woman. - why won't the NHS help her?

[ForeverDelayedEpiphany]

I have to say, she is partly to blame for getting her implants from Turkey, but to be left in absolutely awful pain for months, and with no treatment in sight, it's a travesty in this modern world that this poor woman has to suffer as she is clearly in the worst pain and her physical and mental health must be at rock bottom.

Her TikTok account shows her story.

TikTok profile name: djabeyance

Basically, she's got a dreadful infection in her sinuses from the botched implants, which have led to necrosis and her nose is literally rotting away with a huge hole which is where her nostrils were (are?!)

Sorry to post such a sensitive topic, please be aware that it's quite distressing to see her nose.

I understand that the NHS and surgeons will not treat patients who've had any cosmetic surgery from abroad, due to litigation and the risk of any further complications, but it's madness to think this woman is left to suffer.

If people that have paid in over a lifetime, have to sell their houses to pay for old age care, then the same expectation should apply to this stupid woman. The burden of paying for all this shouldnt be on the NHS/Taxpayer.

NHS will treat her, and them, just the same. NHS won't replace her veneer or offer the climbers a nose job if they smashed their nose in their accident.

Maybe we should all insurance, but NHS is not refusing to treat her specifically.

After an accident I am going to need implants for 4 teeth.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at the description “cheaped out”

Do you have any idea how much 4 implants cost in the UK

I will give you a clue. The price I was quoted and it was confirmed by a couple of other dentists as being that sort of price was the most expensive out of all the other countries I googled. I didn’t find any country where it cost more.

If anyone wants to read the full story, with the help she's had, it's here. I have little sympathy with her. She was warned not to do it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgq1l5j2w0o

Where do you draw the line..
UK treats cancer in smokers, treats liver disease caused by alcohol over use.

Suicide attempts will be treated.

Drink drivers - treated.

I do think the the infection.should.be treated and the pain if possible

She has ruined her life through a bad decision but countless others have made same choices but been ok
Even with treatment for the infection and pain her face will never be the same. Even with plastic surgery her face will never be the same

She will be living with consequences of this for the rest of her life - which doesn't look like will.be long without treatment of the infection

The NHS has helped her. And she was warned against it. So even your title is unfair on an already overburdened health system IMO

I don’t understand what has happened here. I didn’t know teeth implants were a cosmetic treatment available let alone that bone or septum shaving may be required for it.

From what it sounds like, I don’t think the woman involved knows exactly what has happened hence all the inconsistencies. Her view of the problem & treatment is likely inaccurate and it seems like what she needs is someone explaining all this to her in layman’s terms.

I’m surprised she isn’t running a fundraising campaign for legal fees to pursue a claim against the turkey medical professional she went to; ultimately that would get her what she needs in terms of both the medical problems and the cosmetic side being fixed.

On Tik Tok watching commenting or liking goes towards payment. So anyone who disapproves should not look up the link.

I think any botched surgery from overseas should not be sorted out on the NHS. When it comes to accidents from extreme sports or any kind of self abuse maybe in the future the NHS wont treat it. I could see that day coming regardless of how anyone feels about it.

The nhs as of right now is about not dying.

im sure they’ve treated the bits that need treating. But the rest has to be done back at the place that did it

we don’t all have access to the nhs. It’s in trouble. It’s not as easy to get appointments now or even treatment.

things are having to be prioritised.

The NHS will be helping her, it just won’t be in the way that she wants. They have a duty of care but she needs to accept the treatment offered. Anything else needs to be funded privately.

Tough to be her. My 80 old dad has a 7 inch Lipoma on his shoulder that makes him look like a Hunchback and a Hernia that shows through his trousers. The NHS say he can't have either one fixed - cosmetic.

I think you'll find there's thousands here who are in pain and can't get treatment

So, the self-inflicted don't get my sympathy

Surprised she hasn't started a Go-FundMe yet

If she was warned prior to going but chose to ignore medical advice tbh it's her own fault.

The place that did it is refusing to accept the procedure caused any if these issues. She can’t go back there.

100%

Anyone who says 'People who bring injury on themselves shouldn't be treated by the NHS' is raging idiot. I really can't believe that grown adults with the ability to tie their own shoes believe something so incredibly stupid.

If you start judging who is eligible for treatment and who is not you might as well just start culling people who are a 'burden.' It is the lowest form of petty and hypocritical moral judgement and I really hope most people who express this view do so because their level of intelligence is too low to let them understand what they are actually saying, not because they actually believe it.

As for this woman, I'm guessing she's fallen into the cracks between dentistry, dermatology and plastics and none of them want to take responsibility for her. Her best bet is to raise the money to have private treatment.

The thing with implants is that they are not put in under the NHS. They are a private procedure so taking them out would also be a private procedure

I think the choice is have them removed privately here or abroad

Regarding the necrosis. That I suspect is because of drug use. We have all seen the pictures of Daniela Westbrook. I think that is a cautionary tale of what drugs can do to your face. Might put off some people from going down that route

They are helping her though? They can't remove the implants due to the infection - the collapsed septum is cosmetic - and tbh I wouldn't want to operate at all on that area unless absolutely necessary as I can't imagine that the wound will heal well, especially if, as a previous poster said, she has a history of not engaging with follow up care/going against medical advice (nail glue?!). She's been treated for the acute infection with antibiotics, the NHS isn't going to let her die of sepsis, they're just not going to fix the cosmetic consequences. With the amount of damage that's been done to the anatomy I doubt she'll ever be pain free unfortunately. If her septum had collapsed because of drug use would you be starting a MN thread demanding the NHS helped her?

Do you have any fucking ideas how lucky we are to have a free at the point of entry health service? Nobody in the UK bloody does, hence why it's taken for granted and treated as a big free for all : gay men whining they can't get endless surrogacy pregnancies on the NHS, people choosing to have unwise surgery abroad and then whining the NHS won't fix it. Eastern European alcohol dependent immigrants kicking off in A&E , requiring translators courtesy of the tax payer and demanding their 100th detox. Bloody joke the lot of it. "No" is a perfectly adequate answer sometimes.

are you quite well?
Or getting cheap unnecessary cosmetic surgery abroad 😂

She has! And people are stupidly donating.

Locally the NHS have removed implants when they have got infected (based on local media stories) but they will not put new implants in (rightly so). A lot of people who have had the surgery dont want to be left without implants so refuse this. Then the appear in local media doing sad faces claiming it is ruining their life having this happen to them.

Go abroad. You won't get much for your injuries or illness until you show them your card details. You're obviously very used to the land of plenty and our nanny state. In the real world, we pay for our mistakes: literally.

I am very sure that the NHS will be attempting to help with the infection. What she probably wants is her nose rebuilding, which she will have a job getting.

Cleft patients, and I am one of them, have to wait and wait for nose surgeries which go wrong or move or get infected through no fault of our own. I begged my surgeon to operate pirivately last time I saw him and he refused because of the presence of previous work. I have to wait.

She ruined her own nose and while I pity her because I know what the stares are like, she can keep her gofund me. I hope she hates it. She does not get preference over people who are fighting to breathe at night through no fault of their own.

IMO - self inflicted nose and mouth problems due to impants and drugs should be left untreated because it take away resources away from cleft patients who are already marginalised and victimised. I might pop across to tiktok to let her know.

I agree @ForeverDelayedEpiphany I think you'd have to have a heart of stone to not feel sorry for this woman. Yes yes she shouldn't have gone to Turkey for tooth implants, but she did, and I think it's up to the NHS to help her.

They wouldn't refuse to help someone who had broken both legs ski-ing would they? Or someone who had broken their back, or spine absailing or doing a parachute jump (that went wrong?!) So why should she be any different? Her own actions have caused this yes, but then again, anyone who does any high risk sport and gets injured, has got injured by their own actions too!

I hope her GoFundMe page gets the amount she needs, and she gets rid of the infection, and gets herself fixed. Poor woman.