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Labour isn't working - Thread 12

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TheNuthatch · 06/10/2025 23:28

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Julen7 · 14/10/2025 08:35

Alondra · 14/10/2025 08:27

Sanchez is not in the dog house in Spain. Sanchez refused to raise Spain's 5% NATO expenditure to fight Trump/US wars, knowing who will pay for it - average income earners paying more tax and getting less services in health and education. He's been the only western leader with the balls to say no to Trump instead of folding like a house of cards.

The handshake between them made it clear.

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I think you are reading too much into a handshake.

EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 08:36

Julen7 · 14/10/2025 08:35

I think you are reading too much into a handshake.

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Yep.

Mantari · 14/10/2025 08:37

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Mantari · 14/10/2025 08:39

LupaMoonhowl · 14/10/2025 07:46

Really better not to engage with them -please can we just ignore the goaders and goady comments?

I think that is a little pot and kettle given your ageist insult yesterday.

Alondra · 14/10/2025 08:47

Nolletimiere · 14/10/2025 08:32

Spain should leave NATO, then, surely?

They can reallocate the funds to net zero.

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Why should Spain leave NATO because Trump is bullying members to raise GDP expenditure to 5% when NATO guidelines are 2%? The US doesn't expend that much and yet expects other countries to do so.

Spain has committed 2.2% of their expenditure, which is more than reasonable. What Trump wants doesn't automatically translate as "yes, sir, we'll do as you want".

Someone is going to pay for the billions of dollars/euros, and I assure you it won't be the billionaires or US multinational companies. That money will come from more austerity measures affecting the majority of middle income earners in lack of services and increase prices.

Rivalled · 14/10/2025 08:47

@twistyizzy completely agree on education (that won’t shock you either) - the SNP have done all of these moves before, years ago and education results continue to fall in Scotland, and it’s not at all clear that these social work on the cheap policies in schools are having any effect - if we’re using the state of kids’ teeth or mental health to measure the effect of the school tooth brushing or resilience chat then the results are dismal.

i understand that some policy experts must like these policies as they seem cheap to implement but where is the evidence they’ve worked? Certainly haven’t worked in Scotland…

Lutonsgirl · 14/10/2025 08:50

I think shouting about free breakfast clubs is bizarre....is it not a sign of a failed society?

Nolletimiere · 14/10/2025 08:50

Alondra · 14/10/2025 08:47

Why should Spain leave NATO because Trump is bullying members to raise GDP expenditure to 5% when NATO guidelines are 2%? The US doesn't expend that much and yet expects other countries to do so.

Spain has committed 2.2% of their expenditure, which is more than reasonable. What Trump wants doesn't automatically translate as "yes, sir, we'll do as you want".

Someone is going to pay for the billions of dollars/euros, and I assure you it won't be the billionaires or US multinational companies. That money will come from more austerity measures affecting the majority of middle income earners in lack of services and increase prices.

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2% was in a very different geopolitical environment.

If you would prefer the US to exit NATO instead, let us know how that works out for you.

I rather suspect a broader European and/or Pacific conflict is coming whether you would choose it or not.

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TheNuthatch · 14/10/2025 08:50

Alondra · 14/10/2025 08:27

Sanchez is not in the dog house in Spain. Sanchez refused to raise Spain's 5% NATO expenditure to fight Trump/US wars, knowing who will pay for it - average income earners paying more tax and getting less services in health and education. He's been the only western leader with the balls to say no to Trump instead of folding like a house of cards.

The handshake between them made it clear.

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You are reading a lot from a handshake are you not?
Sanchez can do what he sees fit, although I note that he didn't refuse to go to Egypt. Surely that would have been an actual show of defiance?
If he doesn't want to pay his way in nato, despite having excellent economic growth as you point out, then Spain should leave. Does Sanches have 'the balls' to explain to his population that they are leaving nato? I doubt it.

Anyway, this thread isn't about Sanchez.

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twistyizzy · 14/10/2025 08:52

Lutonsgirl · 14/10/2025 08:50

I think shouting about free breakfast clubs is bizarre....is it not a sign of a failed society?

100%. If parents are unable to provide a slice of toast in the morning for their DC then society indeed has failed. It isn't up to schools to address that failure, SS should be targeting those parents.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 14/10/2025 08:52

Pearlyjam · 13/10/2025 21:16

This is the moment where Starmer (who was one of the last to be mentioned by Trump) goes up to the podium to speak, but is sent back to his place by Trump. He looks so offended!. The arrogance and delusion of the man thinking anyone wanted to listen to her had to say.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Z0dau__O5s4?si=lQPbla_n4GSwsQb8

It was embarrassing, but not for misjudging the initial situation, I think. It can happen.

It was the faces he made once he realised he committed that faux pas, this was where he went wrong.

Alondra · 14/10/2025 08:56

Nolletimiere · 14/10/2025 08:50

2% was in a very different geopolitical environment.

If you would prefer the US to exit NATO instead, let us know how that works out for you.

I rather suspect a broader European and/or Pacific conflict is coming whether you would choose it or not.

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I think it'd be healthier for the world if Trump did as he promised - focus on his own economy and minimise US military forces around the world.

But as we all know, Trump is a liar. What he says (if anyone can follow his ramblings), and what he does, is the opposite.

Rivalled · 14/10/2025 08:59

And on the tooth brushing - if dentists had free toothpaste to give out to kids, if you could go in and pick it up at a check up, wouldn’t that be a better place for it?

I remember the dc coming home so many times with toothpaste and a brush from school that we didn’t need.

Nolletimiere · 14/10/2025 08:59

Alondra · 14/10/2025 08:56

I think it'd be healthier for the world if Trump did as he promised - focus on his own economy and minimise US military forces around the world.

But as we all know, Trump is a liar. What he says (if anyone can follow his ramblings), and what he does, is the opposite.

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So.

The title of this thread - your comments please.

You do have some, right?

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TheNuthatch · 14/10/2025 08:59

Mantari · 14/10/2025 08:39

I think that is a little pot and kettle given your ageist insult yesterday.

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Sorry, but can we not do that on this thread please?
I can see that you have an issue with what the pp wrote yesterday which is fair enough, but this thread only works if we don't knife each other when we don't like what we read. I think the pp has got the message.

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EasternStandard · 14/10/2025 09:01

Alondra · 14/10/2025 08:56

I think it'd be healthier for the world if Trump did as he promised - focus on his own economy and minimise US military forces around the world.

But as we all know, Trump is a liar. What he says (if anyone can follow his ramblings), and what he does, is the opposite.

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Isn’t there a long running Trump thread? This is better on there.

This thread is pretty clear

upseedaisee · 14/10/2025 09:01

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 14/10/2025 08:34

Yes. they come, they spread the scent of Chanel and some wisdom.

Are we all converted now to the one and only true thinking?

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I shouldn't laugh, but whenever I hear 'Chanel' all I can think of is Scream Queens. I used to watch on occasion with my neice

strawberrybubblegum · 14/10/2025 09:03

twistyizzy · 14/10/2025 07:49

This is a good article about how we should return to schools being places of education not social work. The creep towards them being judged on the social care they offer means government priorities are all wrong.
Exactly like Bigot's "free" breakfast clubs and her mission to end child poverty. Great but you are SoS for Education, not child poverty or social services. She is accelerating this role of schools as social service dept eg tooth brushing, mental health providers etc. Those things sit with SS not education!

https://thecritic.co.uk/sorry-keir-starmer-but-schools-cant-do-it-all/

Yet another example of ordinary families - who parent adequately and send their kids to school to be educated- being sacrificed in order to pour yet more money into the underclass. Typical Labour levelling down.

Layer after layer of funding and benefits funnelled to the same small number of people in an attempt to lift them up, when the reality is that it won't make a difference to their outcomes anyway.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/what-do-we-mean-by-the-underclass/

Whereas using that money to actually provide the service it's intended for (education) for all, actually would make a difference to many, many children's outcomes and give our future economy a fighting chance.

This betrayal by the Left is why there's such a huge grassroots swing away from Labour, towards all the 'let's give them a chance' parties. Because people know that society simply isn't working for them. They're fed up of being sacrificed for 'more worthy' others.

Pearlyjam · 14/10/2025 09:05

TheNuthatch · 14/10/2025 08:17

You make a fair point, and I agree with some of your post. Sanchez is in the dog house over his lack of nato spending. I agree with Trump on that one.
Starmer is his own worst enemy with Trump. He has tried to present himself as some kind of Trump whisperer, and in doing so, has made himself look ridiculous. There was no reason whatsoever for Starmer to step towards that podium when Trump was speaking. He made a fool of himself (again), and I make no apology for laughing at him. He is despised by much of the population here in the UK.

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@TheNuthatch I totally agree. I watched the who of Trump's speech and when he thanked the other leaders, none of them took this as permission to go up to the podium to speak.
The only exception was the PM if Pakistan whom Trump asked to speak, but even he hesitated coming to the podium.

Starmer on the other hand is so entitled and full of self importance, that he just walks up to the podium ready to give a speech that he probably spent hours preparing (which best pal Blair probably helped him write). You can see the anger on his face when Trump prevents his moment of glory.

Someone mentioned Trump is a narcissist. I'd say the same for Starmer too, but he's also weak, pathetic, and morally bankrupt at the same time which is very worrying. He's prepared to sell out our country for his own personal gain and I think he's a very dangerous individual.

Mantari · 14/10/2025 09:11

upseedaisee · 14/10/2025 09:01

I shouldn't laugh, but whenever I hear 'Chanel' all I can think of is Scream Queens. I used to watch on occasion with my neice

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I can see that you have an issue with what the pp wrote yesterday which is fair enough, but this thread only works if we don't knife each other when we don't like what we read. I think the pp has got the message

Calling out ageism on the thread is "knifing" each other? But this petty bullying and mocking of posters who are on the "Starmer" thread is OK with you @TheNuthatch ? I think I will leave you all to it. It is a shame as there are some informative posters on this thread with interesting view points.

twistyizzy · 14/10/2025 09:13

Mantari · 14/10/2025 09:11

I can see that you have an issue with what the pp wrote yesterday which is fair enough, but this thread only works if we don't knife each other when we don't like what we read. I think the pp has got the message

Calling out ageism on the thread is "knifing" each other? But this petty bullying and mocking of posters who are on the "Starmer" thread is OK with you @TheNuthatch ? I think I will leave you all to it. It is a shame as there are some informative posters on this thread with interesting view points.

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Trust me the posters on Starmer thread do their own share of petty bullying and mocking about others. Also name calling of people who disagree with them.

Nolletimiere · 14/10/2025 09:16

Mantari · 14/10/2025 09:11

I can see that you have an issue with what the pp wrote yesterday which is fair enough, but this thread only works if we don't knife each other when we don't like what we read. I think the pp has got the message

Calling out ageism on the thread is "knifing" each other? But this petty bullying and mocking of posters who are on the "Starmer" thread is OK with you @TheNuthatch ? I think I will leave you all to it. It is a shame as there are some informative posters on this thread with interesting view points.

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Thanks for ‘leaving us to it’

Appreciated.

Nolletimiere · 14/10/2025 09:19

Pearlyjam · 14/10/2025 09:05

@TheNuthatch I totally agree. I watched the who of Trump's speech and when he thanked the other leaders, none of them took this as permission to go up to the podium to speak.
The only exception was the PM if Pakistan whom Trump asked to speak, but even he hesitated coming to the podium.

Starmer on the other hand is so entitled and full of self importance, that he just walks up to the podium ready to give a speech that he probably spent hours preparing (which best pal Blair probably helped him write). You can see the anger on his face when Trump prevents his moment of glory.

Someone mentioned Trump is a narcissist. I'd say the same for Starmer too, but he's also weak, pathetic, and morally bankrupt at the same time which is very worrying. He's prepared to sell out our country for his own personal gain and I think he's a very dangerous individual.

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100%

Look at Starmers pinched little face and pained expression - says it all.

twistyizzy · 14/10/2025 09:22

Pearlyjam · 14/10/2025 09:05

@TheNuthatch I totally agree. I watched the who of Trump's speech and when he thanked the other leaders, none of them took this as permission to go up to the podium to speak.
The only exception was the PM if Pakistan whom Trump asked to speak, but even he hesitated coming to the podium.

Starmer on the other hand is so entitled and full of self importance, that he just walks up to the podium ready to give a speech that he probably spent hours preparing (which best pal Blair probably helped him write). You can see the anger on his face when Trump prevents his moment of glory.

Someone mentioned Trump is a narcissist. I'd say the same for Starmer too, but he's also weak, pathetic, and morally bankrupt at the same time which is very worrying. He's prepared to sell out our country for his own personal gain and I think he's a very dangerous individual.

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Stsrmer knows his political career is over in UK. So he is trying to carve out "international diplomat" a la Blair etc. Problem is his personality and lack of respect from other leaders. It won't work because he simply doesn't have the skills.

Instead of trying to improve the lives of residents of the UK, he is pimping himself out on the world stage but only succeeding in making himself look even more incompetent.