Labour isn't working - Thread 12

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Apologies if it's been mentioned but schools week is saying free schools meals are not sustainable and more are being rolled out

I've just gone back to follow those links on digital ID and read around on what's being said. I found this: the plan seems to have been revealed moved on already to the digital id holding biometric data.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/83/home-affairs-committee/news/207446/new-inquiry-harnessing-the-potential-of-new-forms-of-digital-id/

Digital ID could take many forms. It can include government-issued digital documents, such as passports, driving licenses or national insurance numbers. Digital ID could also include biometrics such as fingerprints or facial recognition data.

This week, Starmer praised India's biometric system, so it looks pretty clear that's the direction of travel.

Downing Street's clarification isn’t exactly reassuring:
Downing Street later clarified his comments, stating the UK scheme would not necessarily replicate India's biometric model and would be run by the public sector.

"Necessarily"

Bloody hell.

The UK government is facing calls to support Chagos Islanders who need temporary housing after a surge of them arrived in the country to claim their right to British citizenship.

Hillingdon Council said 152 Chagossians had arrived at Heathrow Airport in the borough this week so far, bringing the total to over 600 since last July.
The Tory-run council says it expects to spend £2m this year on its legal duty to help homeless British-Chagossians, putting pressure on stretched housing resources and "breaking" its finances.

Many of the Chagossians are coming from Mauritius because they say they feel unsafe there after the UK government agreed a deal to hand over the Chagos Islands to the country.

BBC

Damage Labour do domestically can at least be un-done in 4 years time. Damage done internationally is permanent. We need to get Starmer focused on the UK.

@EmeraldRoulette I totally agree with your comments about Canterbury Cathedrale. I'm horrified at what they've done - desecrating a beautiful, historic, place of worship in the name of 'art'. The Church of England is yet another instutution going down the toilet due to it's insane wokery. It just feels like we've lost our way as a society and it makes me so sad.

The poor buggers don't stand a chance. They're British citizens, they'll be lucky to get some shitty b&b temporary housing like all the other homeless British citizens. They won't get put up in a hotel at the taxpayers expense.

I don't like it much, but it is temporary and will be gone in a few weeks.

@Mantari I know you didn't address that comment to me, but the fact that it's temporary isn't the point

It's the fact they have this art installation at all

And blaming so-called "marginalised" communities, saying they want to "represent" them. At this point, I don't know what "marginalised" means, except some people get cross when I don't consider myself marginalised because of my skin colour.

it's the same path as art galleries, museums, etc

I know arguments about public art are as old as the hills, but at some point I thought we'd swing back in favour of not making everything look like everything else, of not making things pedestrian and every day on purpose.

It keeps getting worse. I noticed Starmer's language had changed too. Not much talk of stopping illegal working in his recent comments. (He must think the public are utterly stupid if he thought that was ever going to fly.) More talk of convenience to the public etc. Its all BS.

The select committee should have another point of reference;- does the government have the public's consent?

I emailed my MP, and received a typical wet wipe response. The government will be consulting on it blah blah blah. Telling that there wasn't a single sentence in support of digital ID from my MP.

Well said.
They must feel like they've been thrown under a bus by this shitty government, poor sods.

How does graffiti represent marginalised communities? Should we take that to mean that people from BAME communities like graffiti more than others? Shameful if so.
The CofE needs to give it's head a wobble. They aren't declining because of a lack of woke, quite the opposite infact.

Thank you. We all had a rant about that stupidity a few days ago. BP is not very popular on this thread. 😁

A rare spot of common sense, for once.

Free speech includes the right to offend, a judge has said after clearing a man who burned a Koran outside the Turkish consulate in London.

Mr Justice Bennathan said freedom of expression was a “precious right” as he overturned Hamit Coskun’s conviction.

Mr Coskun shouted “f--- Islam” and “Islam is a religion of terrorism” while holding a flaming Koran aloft in a protest in February.

The 51-year-old was convicted in June of a racially aggravated public order offence after he was filmed burning the book.

But Mr Coskin won an appeal against the conviction on Friday when the judge ruled free speech “must include” the right to offend.

“There is no offence of blasphemy in our law,” Mr Justice Bennathan said. “The right to freedom of expression, if it is a right worth having, must include the right to express views that offend, shock or disturb.”

@Nolletimiere wow, a judge with actual common sense and who respects the right to freedom of speech. It's a shame more judges aren't like him.

Blair is as bent as a nine bob note. I wonder what they were discussing 🤔

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/11/tony-blair-and-nick-clegg-hosted-dinner-giving-tech-bosses-access-to-uk-minister

Now there's a surprise! Meeting with tech bosses....hmmmmm could it be something to do with little Leo's company and getting the Digital ID card contract I wonder.
I see he's out of the running for the Emir of Gaza Title. Hamas have declined his appointment. Gawd it comes to something when a proscribed terrorist group don't want him having seen through him.

Ikr. I don't know how he gets away with it.

Also, I don't remember seeing The Tony Blair Institute on my ballot paper last year.

A good reason for us to stay in the ECHR! "Tim Owen KC, speaking on behalf of Coskun, told the appeal hearing at Southwark Crown Court on Thursday his client’s conduct was the legal exercise of his right to freedom of expression under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and was a “perfectly legitimate expression of his opinion on Islam”.

Doubtless there is some foaming elsewhere on MN, and some Labour talking head will steam in…

Khan probably already has.

Me either, but it looks like that's who we've got. Him and Mandelson just seem to be able to inveigle themselves into a situation for their benefit don't they.
I'm not sure who thought Blair would be a good shoo in for Gaza peace treaty when last time he was involved in the middle east he started a war!

this

What were they chanting?

Going well then.

Starmer is a wanker I'm guessing.🤣🤣🤣

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