Poor teen jailed in Dubai has died

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I’ve just seen this. How utterly heartbreaking for his parents.
it makes me even more angry about the vindictive mother that reported him.
Just so so sad.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-car-chase-crash-teenager-dead-tottenham-london-b1251170.html

@Chiseltip

You are a horrible person. I hope nothing bad happens to your DC if you have any.

So what is the solution, let them drive over the speed limit, over the drug/alcohol limit, wait until they kill someone else on the roads?

Whatever happened subsequently it was a vindictive and nasty act.

With consequences that cannot fail to have done sort of long lasting effect on the individual and family.

And, have a little empathy and imagination… it meant that even if this terrible death had happened anyway, the last year of his life was spent in misery and trauma and his parents are facing this having been already rocked by the imprisonment.

Teenagers do make poor choices. Goes with the territory. They don't deserve to die for them though.

She is a racist who had a teenager jailed in a foreign country because she couldn't bear the idea that her almost adult daughter had had sex with a black man.

You can’t see why someone who has been held in a hell hole desert jail, where human rights violations including lack of food, over crowding and poor sanitation at one end of the scale and rape, torture and systematic abuse of powers at the other might be fearful of the police or the consequences of an interaction with the police?

God help me the lack of critical thinking is painful.

Really? You don't feel that being unjustly jailed, having your character besmirched at 18, potentially going against you for the rest of your life, MIGHT make you angry at the world and take risks you otherwise might never have considered?

Nice to be able to live in such a naive bubble.

I agree with this. Surely, there was no need to report him for consensual sex with a peer?
Absolutely heartbreaking news, poor boy and his family.

Poor young man - so tragic. My heart breaks for his family.

There are plenty of reasons a young, black man wouldn’t be stopping for the Met police

Of course, yes, it’s illegal to have unmarried sex and sex under the age 18 in the UAE. I have spent a lot of time there - with teens - and it is drummed into them when might happen if they break local laws. The teens I know are too scared to even look at anything questionable on their phones in case it’s picked up on.

Also ridiculous to blame the mother who reported it, I wouldn’t have reported it because I know the potential outcomes but I would have been absolutely furious with both of them. Her decision to do that is completely unrelated to him being killed over a year later. We just live in a culture where someone has to be to blame for everything they goes wrong.

Tragic. Of course it is.

But the title is misleading: I'd expected to find that he was still in a Dubai jail & that's where he had died, severely neglected etc. But that isn't it at all.

Young men in a car that was being driven recklessly or too fast or whatever, hit something and the poor boy was killed.

The mother in the Dubai case is irrelevant.

But police chasing teenagers doesn’t always end well.

It very rarely starts well either though does it. Lots of questions to be asked, on both sides.

She's really not. She wrecked his life.

How do you come back from being branded a sex offender? I mean, it might be possible, but for a kid? The head fcuk is off the scale. As is having been through the horrors of a jail in Dubai.

Yes, who's to say he wasn't behaving recklessly as a result of being traumatised by serving a jail sentence in Dubai for no good reason?

Can we not just view the children and young people of Britain as collectively ours (culturally) without bringing race into it? A young man tragically lost his life through no fault of his own after suffering an injustice overseas.

The loss of a single precious one of them is a tragedy and we are all impoverished by their absence. What would his poor family think opening this thread, and more importantly how would we feel in their position?

I’m not sure I like the direction we are taking as a people in this country. A family has lost a son, that really is the only headline here. If your empathy has truly failed to fire from reading this I’d be inclined to ask yourself why, and do some soul searching.

Don’t be so fucking ridiculous. Of course it’s got something to do with it. All traumatic experiences alter a person. Send me your details and I’ll accuse you of a crime, tell all of your friends and the woman across the road and your boss. Get it in tue newspaper and then tell me it hasn’t changed who you are.

This is how I see it too.

Imagine how the families of both young men would have felt if anyone else had also been killed by the dangerous driving…

His conviction in Dubai, was unjust, especially as it was consensual, and the mother involved was a fucking horrible human being.

But this was two young men putting other people’s lives at risk; the two incidences should not be confused. Just because he wasn’t driving, does not mean he wasn’t complicit in the behaviour.

Nobody deserves to die young, but equally, nobody deserves to be killed by someone driving recklessly for kicks.

So sad, saw this today. Tragic that he would be still alive if stayed in jail.

I was so shocked and sad to read this this morning. Poor boy.

"You can’t see why someone who has been held in a hell hole desert jail, where human rights violations including lack of food, over crowding and poor sanitation at one end of the scale and rape, torture and systematic abuse of powers at the other might be fearful of the police or the consequences of an interaction with the police?"

Which would be a fair point if he was the driver, but as other posters gave repeatedly clarified he was the passenger, so not the one who failed to stop.

You were the PP who said…
I suspect a young man who has been held in a high security prison in the UAE has more cause than most to be afraid of the police.

Read back. My words were asking you to explain more.

Your post reads with an ambiguity. ( could be you are suggesting he is terrified of the police and therefore didn't stop ( he wasn't driving anyway), could be that you are saying his behaviour abroad means he will be in trouble here too).

I was explaining how this could read, when many think he was badly done too abroad and wasn't driving the car anyway. I was asking you to clarify.

Absolutely!

Where on earth does PP suggest that?!

Oh my goodness. What a sad end to a young life. My condolences to his loved ones