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AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 04/10/2025 10:59

Zov · 04/10/2025 10:41

He's 19. At least try to get your facts straight.

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MN, a place where very few people let the facts get in the way so instead they can give someone a good kicking when they're down. Or in this case, dead.

NamelessNancy · 04/10/2025 11:00

TheCatsTongue · 04/10/2025 10:36

I will reserve judgement until we find out the reason why the car he was a passenger in was blue-lighted by police and why it failed to stop.

Why will you "reserve judgement"? Is there anything which could make the death of this teenage boy anything other than a terribly sad thing?

Moonyblue · 04/10/2025 11:00

Reading this news was honestly so shocking for me. I already felt so sad for him and his family about the injustice when he went to jail and then seeing this tragic news reminds you why the world can feel so unfair. I wouldn’t wish this type of tragedy/grief on anyone. People should remember to be kind and respectful even when wanting to get their opinions across.

A lot of people unfortunately are very ignorant to the social bias that some people face, so are unable to empathise with how peoples experiences can shape their reality and actions.

Lndnmummy · 04/10/2025 11:01

Funningitup · 04/10/2025 10:53

Poor boy. I felt awful for him and his family. They must have so many what ifs and so much grief. It’s a tragic waste and it’s not at all hard to imagine his prison experience may have made it hard to settle back into exactly where he was before.

On mumsnet a uni aged kid being a fool is routinely described as needing time for their brain to develop but when it’s a young black boy who has already suffered a disturbing and racially aggravated sentence being a passenger in a vehicle that didn’t stop for police some are very quick to judge him as a risk taking idiot.

I have only got contempt for the racist conjecturing that seeks to malign his character. I don’t understand what is up with people posting this shit.

Beautifully written. Thank you. My heart feels so heavy with this shit our young black boys are having to endure. All my thoughts and prayers are with Marcus, his family and friends.

Chiseltip · 04/10/2025 11:02

TheRavenKingsDaughter · 04/10/2025 09:45

I heard this on the radio earlier and honestly gasped at this terrible ill fortune.

Hard to know what to think. But police chasing teenagers doesn’t always end well.

It’s so hard to keep one’s children safe as young adults.

Yes . . .

It's soooo difficult to stop your children getting involved in police pursuits. One minute they're off to play five-a-side at the park, next minute they’re involved in a fail to stop with the police. Happens all the time. It's those bloody police officers again, putting our children into cars and then forcing them into high speed pursuits . . . 🙄

GatherTogether · 04/10/2025 11:03

DancingNotDrowning · 04/10/2025 10:44

I suspect a young man who has been held in a high security prison in the UAE has more cause than most to be afraid of the police.

Explain more please.

He was in a sexual, consensual relationship with his girlfriend of the same age, in a country with different laws and treatment of others, than our own.

How does that link to his friend (who was driving the car) having ‘more cause than most to be afraid of the police’?

Hesma · 04/10/2025 11:03

I feel for his family but at the end of the day he made poor choices

Lndnmummy · 04/10/2025 11:03

AhBiscuits · 04/10/2025 10:43

His mother has been through unimaginable pain. That poor woman, my heart breaks for her. He really made terrible choices with the company he kept.

What do you know about the choices he made or company he kept?

nomas · 04/10/2025 11:03

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 04/10/2025 09:38

I’ve just seen this. How utterly heartbreaking for his parents.
it makes me even more angry about the vindictive mother that reported him.
Just so so sad.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-car-chase-crash-teenager-dead-tottenham-london-b1251170.html

He didn’t die as a result of the incident in Dubai, this was in the UK.

Immediate questions that come to mind:

  • will the IPC investigate whether the car chase was lawful or was disproportionate
  • If not lawful, the police have to answer to why they caused a dangerous situation
  • If lawful, the driver should be charged with manslaughter
  • If lawful, is this part of the reason of the reason the girl’s mother reported him, was she worried about her daughter being in dangerous cars
HelpMeUnpickThis · 04/10/2025 11:03

WolfingtonBear · 04/10/2025 10:36

It is not biased or racist to wonder why a young man would repeatedly put himself in risky situations. They are completely normal thought processes..

It does not detract from the sadness of the loss of a young life, and how regrettable his death is.

The sex in Dubai was consensual. Would you say this if the girl had been the one who died in a car accident?

Nameychangington · 04/10/2025 11:04

WolfingtonBear · 04/10/2025 10:36

It is not biased or racist to wonder why a young man would repeatedly put himself in risky situations. They are completely normal thought processes..

It does not detract from the sadness of the loss of a young life, and how regrettable his death is.

How did he "repeatedly put himself in risky situations."? He was a teenager and had consensual sex with a peer, which he did not know was illegal in Dubai. Then he was a passenger in a speeding car. That's hardly playing on train tracks is it?

In the first 18 months of having a driving license I was stopped by the police 7 times. Only once was I in the wrong (turned right out of a left turn only car park, hardly crime of the century but still wrong). How many white middle class women on MN have been stopped by the police while not doing anything wrong ever, let alone 7 times in a year and a half? Some people have no idea of what others lives are like.

Lndnmummy · 04/10/2025 11:04

GatherTogether · 04/10/2025 11:03

Explain more please.

He was in a sexual, consensual relationship with his girlfriend of the same age, in a country with different laws and treatment of others, than our own.

How does that link to his friend (who was driving the car) having ‘more cause than most to be afraid of the police’?

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Are you being deliberately obtuse?

AutumnMorning · 04/10/2025 11:04

Everythinghascrumbled · 04/10/2025 09:59

Why does it make you angry about the mother who reported him for something unrelated? She wasn’t driving the car ? This likely would have happened anyway ?

Horrible comment!

Lndnmummy · 04/10/2025 11:05

nomas · 04/10/2025 11:03

He didn’t die as a result of the incident in Dubai, this was in the UK.

Immediate questions that come to mind:

  • will the IPC investigate whether the car chase was lawful or was disproportionate
  • If not lawful, the police have to answer to why they caused a dangerous situation
  • If lawful, the driver should be charged with manslaughter
  • If lawful, is this part of the reason of the reason the girl’s mother reported him, was she worried about her daughter being in dangerous cars
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Then the girls mother should be controlling HER child, right?

MaloryJones · 04/10/2025 11:06

DancingLions · 04/10/2025 09:53

I really feel for his poor family. They’d only just got him home again. I cannot begin to imagine what they’re going through. Its so sad.

Absolutely

Its so devastating for them . My condolences go out to the family and friends.

nomas · 04/10/2025 11:07

Lndnmummy · 04/10/2025 11:05

Then the girls mother should be controlling HER child, right?

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You can’t control near 18 year olds.

placemats · 04/10/2025 11:08

DancingNotDrowning · 04/10/2025 10:44

I suspect a young man who has been held in a high security prison in the UAE has more cause than most to be afraid of the police.

To be jailed for a year at 18 for having consensual sex must have been terrifyingly traumatic.

Incredibly heartbreaking news for his family 😔

Over40Overdating · 04/10/2025 11:09

zazazaaar · 04/10/2025 10:41

I believe we have been fully infiltrated by bots and scum deliberately aimed at normalising fascism.

I am the least conspiracy like person but very logical.And this has become so apparent.

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Sadly I don’t think we can ascribe it to bots. It’s just that in the current climate many people who’ve had to sit on their racism for so long are now feeling free to be as disgusting as they like with no consequences and more open support for their lack of empathy and dehumanising of people they consider less than.

GatherTogether · 04/10/2025 11:09

Lndnmummy · 04/10/2025 11:04

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

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No, I am genuinely looking for an answer to...

I suspect a young man who has been held in a high security prison in the UAE has more cause than most to be afraid of the police.

I can't see a link, which is why I asked the PP to explain.

Explain more please.
He was in a sexual, consensual relationship with his girlfriend of the same age, in a country with different laws and treatment of others, than our own.
How does that link to his friend (who was driving the car) having ‘more cause than most to be afraid of the police’?

What do you think the link is?

Mysterian · 04/10/2025 11:11

We don't know what was going on when the car crashed. The poor kid may have been begging the driver not to speed. Maybe we should wait until we know the facts.

AhBiscuits · 04/10/2025 11:12

Lndnmummy · 04/10/2025 11:03

What do you know about the choices he made or company he kept?

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The company he kept was a girl whose mother was incredibly vindictive and unreasonable and someone who would flee from the police.
To be clear, zero blame on him, he wouldn't have known, I'm just saying he was very unlucky.

nomas · 04/10/2025 11:14

placemats · 04/10/2025 11:08

To be jailed for a year at 18 for having consensual sex must have been terrifyingly traumatic.

Incredibly heartbreaking news for his family 😔

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He wasn’t jailed for a year, he handed himself in Dec 2024 and was released end of June 2025.

I agree by UK standards it was a crazy incarceration.

But once the police in Dubai have a crime reported to them, should they just ignore it?

TomatoSandwiches · 04/10/2025 11:16

Heartbreaking when his family only just got him home, imagine he was terrified of the police, his friend speeding, not being in control of the situation, lots of chaos probably and even worse if he had PTSD from his previous experience, 19 is just too too young.

rockstuckhardplace · 04/10/2025 11:16

Everythinghascrumbled · 04/10/2025 09:59

Why does it make you angry about the mother who reported him for something unrelated? She wasn’t driving the car ? This likely would have happened anyway ?

I am angry at that mother actually. I was angry at her anyway. But now the more so given that his short life has now come to an end and some of that short life had to be spent in jail unnecessarily (putting aside legal argument of abiding by the laws of the country you are in).

Sugarpopsicle · 04/10/2025 11:21

Mysterian · 04/10/2025 11:11

We don't know what was going on when the car crashed. The poor kid may have been begging the driver not to speed. Maybe we should wait until we know the facts.

This. And I don’t see any point in debating the reasons why the driver tried to evade police or why the police were chasing them. The only thing that matters is that this poor kid had a terrible ordeal due to the actions of a vindictive person and had only just returned home from a foreign prison, and now he’s dead. An absolute tragedy.