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ScholesPanda · 04/10/2025 11:52

Poor guy, so much misfortune. I feel so sorry for his family.

FancyLimePoet · 04/10/2025 11:53

Everythinghascrumbled · 04/10/2025 09:59

Why does it make you angry about the mother who reported him for something unrelated? She wasn’t driving the car ? This likely would have happened anyway ?

WOW! Zero empathy here from you! That Mother was vindictive- takes two to tango. That poor boy’s mental health could have spiralled following his ordeal could have caused risky behaviours.

Everythinghascrumbled · 04/10/2025 11:54

Lndnmummy · 04/10/2025 10:58

She is and she has blood on her hands. I pray karma will catch up with her.

That’s just ridiculous. It’s a separate incident !

Everythinghascrumbled · 04/10/2025 11:56

FancyLimePoet · 04/10/2025 11:53

WOW! Zero empathy here from you! That Mother was vindictive- takes two to tango. That poor boy’s mental health could have spiralled following his ordeal could have caused risky behaviours.

He wasn’t driving though so was it even his own risky behaviour? He may have just been unlucky and had no idea of the drivers issues / intentions. I fail to see how the mother who reported him for something totally unrelated is in any way responsible for this tragedy ?

WolfingtonBear · 04/10/2025 11:56

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/10/2025 11:37

Yes, who's to say he wasn't behaving recklessly as a result of being traumatised by serving a jail sentence in Dubai for no good reason?

And who’s to say he wasn’t a PITA who was regularly engaging in risky behaviours? Both could equally be true with the information we have. You can’t just make things up in order to vilify a woman who reported illegal behaviour against her under age daughter - because she was in that country - because he died a year later.

DancingNotDrowning · 04/10/2025 11:56

GatherTogether · 04/10/2025 11:48

You were the PP who said…
I suspect a young man who has been held in a high security prison in the UAE has more cause than most to be afraid of the police.

Read back. My words were asking you to explain more.

Your post reads with an ambiguity. ( could be you are suggesting he is terrified of the police and therefore didn't stop ( he wasn't driving anyway), could be that you are saying his behaviour abroad means he will be in trouble here too).

I was explaining how this could read, when many think he was badly done too abroad and wasn't driving the car anyway. I was asking you to clarify.

My post was clear.

If you misinterpret it that’s on you 🤷‍♀️

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2025 11:57

JustJani · 04/10/2025 10:22

I could imagine the opposite - you spend a year unfairly jailed, you come home angry at the world and probably feeling a lot of doors have closed on you. So you become reckless and wild. Especially as a teenaged boy.

It's so sad because with time he could well have matured, settled, gone on to live a life.

You may think it was unfair, but it’s important to ensure you abide by the laws of whatever country you’re in.
It’s legal in some countries to marry children younger than 16. Do you think it’s unfair that you can’t do that here?
He broke the law, he served a sentence. His death is totally unrelated. I’m not sure why some posters are blaming the police here. The driver sped off, the police lost sight after 60 seconds and when they did eventually regain sight the crash had happened. We have no idea what actually caused the crash.

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2025 11:59

TheCatsTongue · 04/10/2025 10:36

I will reserve judgement until we find out the reason why the car he was a passenger in was blue-lighted by police and why it failed to stop.

Do you mean there might be circumstances where it was acceptable for him to die???

CinnamonCinnabar · 04/10/2025 12:00

Very sad but I don't see how his prison sentence in Dubai is relevant. The driver has been arrested for dangerous driving and failing to stop for the police - from the information available right now the driver is to blame. I hope no one in other vehicles was hurt.

Latitudary · 04/10/2025 12:01

Chiseltip · 04/10/2025 11:02

Yes . . .

It's soooo difficult to stop your children getting involved in police pursuits. One minute they're off to play five-a-side at the park, next minute they’re involved in a fail to stop with the police. Happens all the time. It's those bloody police officers again, putting our children into cars and then forcing them into high speed pursuits . . . 🙄

A 19 year old young man has died, no doubt leaving his friends and family devastated. What a vile human being you appear to be.

DancingNotDrowning · 04/10/2025 12:02

WolfingtonBear · 04/10/2025 11:56

And who’s to say he wasn’t a PITA who was regularly engaging in risky behaviours? Both could equally be true with the information we have. You can’t just make things up in order to vilify a woman who reported illegal behaviour against her under age daughter - because she was in that country - because he died a year later.

Im pretty certain at the time he was jailed he was reported as being a good student who had not been in any previous trouble.

in the absence of any suggestion he was a PITA who regularly engaged in risky behaviours why would you assume he was?

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2025 12:03

CautiousLurker01 · 04/10/2025 10:48

Yes, but after the experience he had in Dubai he may literally have been scared for his life when he saw UK police lights. He may have been irreparably traumatised. I agree with OP that the vindictive mother in the original case should have a hard time looking at herself in the mirror for the rest of her life as her actions likely played a part in this.

Don’t be ridiculous. She didn’t make the laws.

DancingNotDrowning · 04/10/2025 12:03

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2025 11:59

Do you mean there might be circumstances where it was acceptable for him to die???

On MN it seems there are always acceptable reasons for black boys or poor boys to die.

it’s fucking vile

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2025 12:04

XelaM · 04/10/2025 10:53

Oh no 😢 this is so awful. That poor boy and family!

The mother of the girl who reported him in Dubai is fucking evil!

Why? Was she driving the car?

soupyspoon · 04/10/2025 12:04

WolfingtonBear · 04/10/2025 11:56

And who’s to say he wasn’t a PITA who was regularly engaging in risky behaviours? Both could equally be true with the information we have. You can’t just make things up in order to vilify a woman who reported illegal behaviour against her under age daughter - because she was in that country - because he died a year later.

Yes I dont see why if you cant make one assumption, you cant make the other

Was it ever established why she made the report, not that she has to say why, Im just wondering if it ever came out, her daughter must have spoken about it

deirdrerasheed · 04/10/2025 12:04

Soonenough · 04/10/2025 09:55

Foolish young men will be risk takers. I feel horrible for his family.

Unnessarily cruel post

NormasArse · 04/10/2025 12:06

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2025 12:03

Don’t be ridiculous. She didn’t make the laws.

No, but she used them vindictively.

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2025 12:07

HelpMeUnpickThis · 04/10/2025 11:03

The sex in Dubai was consensual. Would you say this if the girl had been the one who died in a car accident?

Just like in this country a child under 16 cannot be deemed to have “consensual” sex, in Dubai the same applies to someone under 18. So legally, it wasn’t consensual.

WolfingtonBear · 04/10/2025 12:08

deirdrerasheed · 04/10/2025 12:04

Unnessarily cruel post

No it isn’t, it’s factual. I am the mother of 22 year old young man…

I always think about how young adults brains are now known to not be fully developed until approx age 25, yet they’re treated as full adults from age 18. But what else can we do as a society? How can they learn to be adults without practice?

Soontobe60 · 04/10/2025 12:12

RoastLambs · 04/10/2025 11:42

Don’t be so fucking ridiculous. Of course it’s got something to do with it. All traumatic experiences alter a person. Send me your details and I’ll accuse you of a crime, tell all of your friends and the woman across the road and your boss. Get it in tue newspaper and then tell me it hasn’t changed who you are.

The difference being, he DID commit a crime!

HelpMeUnpickThis · 04/10/2025 12:17

nomas · 04/10/2025 11:14

He wasn’t jailed for a year, he handed himself in Dec 2024 and was released end of June 2025.

I agree by UK standards it was a crazy incarceration.

But once the police in Dubai have a crime reported to them, should they just ignore it?

@nomas

I note you say nothing about the fact that the sex was consensual and that the girl faced no consequence.

The crime involved 2 individuals. Why did they not recall the girl to do some time then?

Funny you can be pedantic about how many months he spent in prison when he has now actually died.

Some people on here are completely heartless.

FlamingoQueen · 04/10/2025 12:18

So sad. His poor family.

AgapanthusPink · 04/10/2025 12:19

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/10/2025 11:31

She is a racist who had a teenager jailed in a foreign country because she couldn't bear the idea that her almost adult daughter had had sex with a black man.

Edited

Do you have a source for this? I haven’t found anything which indicates the girl or her family’s background/ethnicity/skin colour or are you just making assumptions?

Walkden · 04/10/2025 12:20

"I note you say nothing about the fact that the sex was consensual and that the girl faced no consequence.
The crime involved 2 individuals. Why did they not recall the girl to do some time then?"

Oh please. By Dubai law she was a minor....

Lalaloope · 04/10/2025 12:23

I hate police chases! They put everyone's lives at risk, even if it isn't the criminal or whomever they're chasing. The perpetrators obviously don't care about their lives or anyone else's but the police should do better than make it easy for them to harm others.

The bystanders or even people minding their business inside their homes could have a car crashing into them because the police were chasing someone driving at a dangerous speed. It needs to stop! Find other ways to catch these people, not putting lives at risk, including passengers who may have nothing to do with the issue. Sometimes even children!

It's sad the passenger was the one who died. The driver should be held responsible as well as the police chasing him. Whatever the reason for the chase was, they caused his death!

My heart goes out to the family of the boy. He was very unlucky by making these two decisions towards the end of his life. Some people survived the same decisions but he didn't. How sad.

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