Labour isn't working - Thread 11

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I think she's hoping to grind the bond traders down with her relentless optimism about the state of things and hoodwink them into giving us better rates. Perhaps she is working closely with Paul McKenna, "Look around the eyes not into the eyes, look around the eyes not into the eyes ...and, sleep... It's 1997 and the streets are filled with maxi skirts and the sound of Cool Britannia..."

Relentless optimism….but remember the very public floods of tears not so long ago?

Oh God, the crying. FFS.

I hope he's right. Our waiting lists in Wales are appalling. That's if you can get on one. Our surgery you can't even get a face to face appointment.

Honestly they should be offering people discounts to go private and reduce waiting lists as they’re so bad…nothing is really being done pragmatically.

Tutoring is already taxed. If it is provided through a company, VAT gets added on top.

Most tutoring is provided by individuals as sole traders though

Yes I know that.
It was a flippant remark about the attitude of Phillipson towards any form of aspiration. Not a misunderstanding of how the self-employed manage their affairs.

😂😂 I swear I’m getting more tetchy of late. I’ve just sent some fully running out of patience with you fckwits now, work emails. Jfdi. I wouldn’t have been so annoyed by incompetence a few months ago. I blame Keir, Rachel and Bridget. And David.

I was on a waiting list for something and after months and in increasing pain went private. Thing is, the letter I got from the NHS confirming I was on the list also gave me two ways I could cancel my NHS appointment should I wish to.

Neither of those two ways worked. The website version did not recognise the details (codes) that I had been told to give and the phone number I was given meant I spoke to a person who said 'the pin number does not work' which is what I had told them, and they could not cancel it for me manually. The person on the phone then gave me a 'direct number' which was for a hospital in Manchester (hint, I don't live anywhere near Manchester.... I've just googled and it's close to 250 miles away from where I am). I ended up turning up at my hospital's reception and telling them I no longer needed the appointment and they told me disapprovingly that this was not really how things were done.

The whole thing took weeks in the end by the time I got it sorted..... wasted weeks where my spot could have been freed up.

Yes I'm a lot angrier too

My poor DCs were woken this morning at about 5.40 as DH and I were getting coffee and loudly agreeing with each other how shit reeves is and the Labour party generally.

I think it’s some of the Labour posts and Labour generally. Avoiding a lot helps, but still

My friend gave up trying to cancel and forgot about it. Had the private surgery. Months later the NHS contacted her for a pre op assessment. 🙄

TBH i was close to saying 'fuck them. If they cant organise a cancellation system that works, then that's on them'.

But what a total waste of time for everybody. And I bet alot of people can't cancel and give up. It was just because I happened one day to be driving past the hospital I even went in.

Yes you’re right. Perhaps head in sand option Is more healthy, for now.

I still manage to either laugh or say oh fuck off to anything that does get through. Or both together

I’m tired of the little match-stick girl stories. They aren’t coherent and they don’t add up.

Is anyone buying this nonsense?

It annoys the shit out of me. I was pretty bloody poor growing up and I don't appreciate poverty being whittled into a virtue card.

It's shit, there's nothing to be gained from it and I've certainly never used it with sharp elbows to leverage an advantage over others.

Hi all
Reeves moved the budget date when Raynor was being outed for tax evasion
so my thoughts on moving the date are because it will involve bigger changes to house buying taxes
ie
stamp - perhaps an uptick in the 2% tax on second homes
thresholds- a lowering of the thresholds for stamp
perhaps even a new tax altogether

I’m wondering if Raynor had inside knowledge of this and bought quickly to avoid it

So is Reeves waiting for the heat on Raynor to die down….like we’d let that happen 🤣

OMG did anyone listen to Heidi Alexander transport secretary on J Vine just now. I nearly spat my coffee across the room multiple times, One particular gem wax “we had to raise employee NICs in order to invest in the NHS which is what the public wanted”. If you want to laugh/cry depending on your current mood - give it a listen.

Life is long and varied. There are good and bad times, parents are usually their poorest when children are young because they are starting out. Teachers are unionised, but I don’t consider them “working class.” And certainly not poor, and certainly not disadvantaged, when it comes to getting into Oxbridge and all that stuff.

Phillipson had extracurriculars and an enterprising mum who started and ran a charity and owned her own house.

A lot of people didn’t have central heating in the 70s and 80s. I didn’t- I can remember getting dressed for school in the kitchen as a tiny thing in front of an open oven door enjoying the residual heat from breakfast. I bet a lot of people do. I was not disadvantaged. We didn’t have a shower, just a bath, no dryer, just a mangle etc. Not being in the 1% didn’t make me “poor.” And you can’t compare living standards 30 years ago to today.

The current Labour lot weren’t born with silver spoons in their mouths, but then most of us aren’t. To claim disadvantage is ridiculous. They were just normal people with very engaged parents who obviously pushed the forward. I have no problem with that and I wish they would allow others to do the same for their children.

No, I agree with you, they are pulling out some typical childhoods and orchestrating them as evidence of poverty.

I'm just adding that the assumption, even if she had been on her arse in startling poverty, that it gives you a special insight on how things should be is entirely false. And the idea that it should be used to propel your career is too.

Poverty porn virtue signalling

You’re absolutely right. It’s shocking resllly how they go on about it.

Now I think about it - we had no shower only a bath, hot water was irregular, no washer or dryer - we went to the launderette, obv no dishwasher, no central heating, frost inside the windows in winter, puddles on windowsills in warmer rainier months, no tv (only at Xmas when my GPs brought their’s over) etc etc etc. hand me downs, but what I did have was brilliant parents. My Mum took us to the library most weeks (so many books!), we had a treat when family allowance came and we went to a cafe for a piece of cake and a drink after the library (my mum clearly understood priorities even if very little cash!) etc etc. I’ve never even really thought about that really, just looking back now. That’s how it was.

So Fuck Off Labour Party of today. You don’t represent any of us with your bitter lies and bull shit.

ps. And now my kids go to a ps that cost approx 25,000+ each pa. That’s because my parents were supportive, without them I’m sure I’d have been in a very different position now.