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Labour isn't working - Thread 11

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TheNuthatch · 29/09/2025 22:18

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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justasking111 · 03/10/2025 10:31

EmpressoftheMundane · 03/10/2025 08:32

As for ID cards,

All the opposition parties should bring ID up constantly.

Newspapers should constantly querry the procurement and selection of vendor, and whether all regulations are being follOwed correctly. If they follow the rules, it should take at least two years to procure, before development can even start.

Citizens should sue on rights grounds.

All of society should pull together to make getting this done like walking through treacle. If it takes long enough, someone else will be in power.

They won't tell anyone anything. If you've been observing Welsh politics for the last six years they used COVID to transform power to a select few behind closed doors. Half a million objected to the 20mph driving speed in a petition which was ignored by the Senedd. They don't consult with their own party.

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 11:45

There is an article in The Times about that interview yesterday with the UK CE of Palantir. I can't get the archive.ph link to work sorry, but quoting from it -

A software company involved in controversial projects around the world has ruled out helping the government to implement its digital ID card scheme, saying it lacks democratic legitimacy.

Palantir technologies, which has contracts with intelligence agencies, police and the Ministry of Defence, said it would not be participating in the scheme and warned it was a "programme that needs to be tested at the ballot box".

Louis Mosley, Palantir's UK boss, has criticised the government's ID plans and said the firm would not bid for any contracts around it.

"Palantir has long had a policy that we will help democratically elected governments implement the policies they have been elected to deliver and that does mean that often we are involved in the implementation of very controversial measures".

"Digital ID is not one that was tested at the last election. It wasn't in the manifesto. So we haven't had a clear resounding public support at the ballot box for its implementation. So it isn't one for us".

Mosley added that he also had "personal concerns" about digital IDs, suggesting they may be open to abuse. "One of my concerns about it is the technical necessity of it. We have all had experience with engaging with parts of the government where the online experience leaves something to be desired. It needs improvement".

"However, we are in a world now where there are at least a dozen unique identifiers for each of us in government. We have passports, we have driving licences, we have unique tax codes, we have national insurance numbers. Now each of these sits in a silo and doesn't talk to the other, it isn't harmonised. There's no way for the government to easily jump from one to another. I think there are ways to improve that, that wouldn't require a wholesale new form of ID, and I think it does open up the risk of misuse as well".

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Absentosaur · 03/10/2025 11:52

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 03/10/2025 09:06

And…one other country is mentioned in that government statement, in approving terms: Estonia.

A quick google shows that in Estonia it is an offence not to produce an ID card to “state agents”.

So the comparison is shite on many levels, not least because they’re leaning on the record of a state that does what they’ve ruled out!

Yes. The ref to Estonia is pitiful. Shows how desperate / corrupt / incompetent they are. Pick the word that fits.

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DancingFerret · 03/10/2025 11:59

Absentosaur · 03/10/2025 11:52

Yes. The ref to Estonia is pitiful. Shows how desperate / corrupt / incompetent they are. Pick the word that fits.

"Pick the word that fits."

I'd like to add dictatorial.

Absentosaur · 03/10/2025 12:02

DancingFerret · 03/10/2025 11:59

"Pick the word that fits."

I'd like to add dictatorial.

As yes. That too. Despotic?

DancingFerret · 03/10/2025 12:04

As if yesterday's attack couldn't get worse. Awful for everyone involved and impacted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15158827/Police-shot-Manchester-terror-attack-victim-died-admit-officers.html

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 12:10

DancingFerret · 03/10/2025 12:04

As if yesterday's attack couldn't get worse. Awful for everyone involved and impacted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15158827/Police-shot-Manchester-terror-attack-victim-died-admit-officers.html

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How awful 😪

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Absentosaur · 03/10/2025 12:10

DancingFerret · 03/10/2025 12:04

As if yesterday's attack couldn't get worse. Awful for everyone involved and impacted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15158827/Police-shot-Manchester-terror-attack-victim-died-admit-officers.html

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Syrian-born Al-Shamie, who came to the UK as a young child and was granted British citizenship in 2006

Piece of shit. If it wasn’t for him no one would be dead.

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 16:04

Updated aggregated bi-election results since the GE

Aggregate Result of the 115 Council By-Elections (for 118 Seats) since the 2025 Local Elections:

RFM: 44 (+38)
LDM: 29 (+9)
CON: 13 (-12)
LAB: 12 (-29)
GRN: 11 (+3)
Ind: 5 (-4)
Local: 2 (-4)
SNP: 1 (-1)
PLC: 1 (=)

Labour isn't working - Thread 11
TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 16:07

David Lammy has been heckled with shouts and boos at the vigil for the victims of the Manchester attack.

Who decided it was a good idea to send Lammy? Ffs.

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TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 16:10

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 16:04

Updated aggregated bi-election results since the GE

Aggregate Result of the 115 Council By-Elections (for 118 Seats) since the 2025 Local Elections:

RFM: 44 (+38)
LDM: 29 (+9)
CON: 13 (-12)
LAB: 12 (-29)
GRN: 11 (+3)
Ind: 5 (-4)
Local: 2 (-4)
SNP: 1 (-1)
PLC: 1 (=)

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Gosh the numbers for Reform are staggering aren't they? Wow.

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twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 16:12

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 16:10

Gosh the numbers for Reform are staggering aren't they? Wow.

Must be all those gammon racists

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 16:16

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 16:12

Must be all those gammon racists

It’s the failure of Labour, as much as people dismiss it on here.

Pissing people off to the extent they are has an effect.

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 16:19

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 16:16

It’s the failure of Labour, as much as people dismiss it on here.

Pissing people off to the extent they are has an effect.

But how when it's all going so well?

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 16:27

They’ve brought it on themselves.

DancingFerret · 03/10/2025 18:04

Boris on the Manchester horror and the peace deal offered to Hamas.

(Will they accept it, I wonder, and if they do, will they honour it? Call me cynical...)

https://archive.ph/17RpZ

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 03/10/2025 18:42

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 16:07

David Lammy has been heckled with shouts and boos at the vigil for the victims of the Manchester attack.

Who decided it was a good idea to send Lammy? Ffs.

He took one for the team, I suppose.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 03/10/2025 19:01

They could hardly have sent the Home Secretary. As to her past, before rising up the greasy political pole:

Mahmood took a stronger stance on Palestine in her early career. Perhaps most famously, in 2014, she was filmed protesting outside a Sainsbury’s branch in Birmingham, calling for it to stop selling goods from illegal Israeli settlements.

She voted in favour of recognising the state of Palestine in 2013 and, in 2018, called for immediate recognition of Palestinian statehood during a parliamentary debate. She calls herself a “a passionate and determined supporter of Palestinian rights” and, in January 2024, voted against a Conservative bill that would have made the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement targeting Israel illegal.

From Hyphen Online.

I doubt the Jewish community in Manchester would have been impressed with her hand wringing.

Shabana’s record on Palestine - Shabana Mahmood

Many constituents have been in touch regarding their support for Palestine, in response to recent events in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. I am, and always have been, a passionate and determined supporter of Palestinian rights and my...

https://www.shabanamahmood.org/2021/06/10/palestine/

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 19:13

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 03/10/2025 18:42

He took one for the team, I suppose.

A useful idiot

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 19:36

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 03/10/2025 19:01

They could hardly have sent the Home Secretary. As to her past, before rising up the greasy political pole:

Mahmood took a stronger stance on Palestine in her early career. Perhaps most famously, in 2014, she was filmed protesting outside a Sainsbury’s branch in Birmingham, calling for it to stop selling goods from illegal Israeli settlements.

She voted in favour of recognising the state of Palestine in 2013 and, in 2018, called for immediate recognition of Palestinian statehood during a parliamentary debate. She calls herself a “a passionate and determined supporter of Palestinian rights” and, in January 2024, voted against a Conservative bill that would have made the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement targeting Israel illegal.

From Hyphen Online.

I doubt the Jewish community in Manchester would have been impressed with her hand wringing.

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She was there too, although she didn't speak.

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upseedaisee · 03/10/2025 21:24

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 16:07

David Lammy has been heckled with shouts and boos at the vigil for the victims of the Manchester attack.

Who decided it was a good idea to send Lammy? Ffs.

Just watched the clip on Sky. It wasn't heckling, he was well and truly handed his tatties, but being the numbskull he is, he was completely oblivious to his unsuitability to address the crowd and heed what was said.

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 21:38

upseedaisee · 03/10/2025 21:24

Just watched the clip on Sky. It wasn't heckling, he was well and truly handed his tatties, but being the numbskull he is, he was completely oblivious to his unsuitability to address the crowd and heed what was said.

You're right, I didn't use strong enough words to describe it. Those who had gathered were clearly hurt and upset by his presence, rightly so. Twat.

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TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 21:47

2075 people have crossed the channel on small boats in the last 6 days.

I don't think one-in-one-out has had the desired effect. Who'dathunkit.

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EmeraldRoulette · 03/10/2025 21:56

Hello
Thank you to the posters who asked how I am today. I'm alright, thank you. Been deep in work most of the day.

I spent a long time ignoring politics. Re-David Lammy, I've seen him being criticised for being two pro and anti-both Israel and Palestine

So I'm a bit lost why he would be a particularly poor choice for this
apologies if I'm missing something really obvious.

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