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Labour isn't working - Thread 11

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TheNuthatch · 29/09/2025 22:18

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 02/10/2025 20:52

You haven't brought me down Emerald, or plopped any misery. I think we're all feeling down today, I know I am.

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TheNuthatch · 02/10/2025 21:27

Thank you @Absentosaur xx

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CaveMum · 02/10/2025 22:31

Thinking of you @EmeraldRoulette, you’re not a plopper so please don’t apologise.

LupaMoonhowl · 03/10/2025 07:40

As predicted, Reform hoovered up votes in yesterday’s elections -even in the one they lost they were only 3% behind Labour in leafy champagne socialist Cheshire…

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 07:42

EmeraldRoulette · 02/10/2025 20:46

Thank you, everyone, and I didn't mean to bring anyone down. Please talk as freely as you like. I just didn't know where to say anything. I've got one other friend who was bereaved in the same situation, but the others have all drifted off. He's not a talker so he will not be happy if I message him to have a scream.

I did have a chat with my Jewish neighbour who was very kindly more worried about me than himself today. He did point out that he's supposed to hold his anger in, on today of all days. I expect we'll have a pub visit and a bit of a rant at the weekend.

as you were, guys. I didn't mean to come on here and plop misery.

shame is not for the ordinary citizen to carry. I think it's fair to say we're all doing our best.

How are you doing today @EmeraldRoulette

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 07:42

LupaMoonhowl · 03/10/2025 07:40

As predicted, Reform hoovered up votes in yesterday’s elections -even in the one they lost they were only 3% behind Labour in leafy champagne socialist Cheshire…

Ooo have you got the results?

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 07:43

I've found them 🤣

Wigan Central (Wigan) Council By-Election Result:

➡️ RFM: 47.2% (New)
🌹 LAB: 32.9% (-15.3)
🙋 Ind: 6.7% (New)
🌳 CON: 5.1% (-9.4)
🌍 GRN: 4.4% (-2.1)
🔶 LDM: 3.7% (+0.2)

No Ind (-27.3) as previous.

Reform GAIN from Labour.

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 07:43

Hutton South (Brentwood) Council By-Election Result:

➡️ RFM: 45.8% (New)
🌳 CON: 30.9% (-14.5)
🌹 LAB: 13.3% (-14.5)
🔶 LDM: 6.2% (-9.6)
🌍 GRN: 3.8% (-7.2)

Reform GAIN from Conservative.
Changes w/ 2024.

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 07:43

Lake North (Isle of Wight) Council By-Election Result:

➡️ RFM: 36.8% (+0.7)
🌳 CON: 31.6% (+2.8)
🔶 LDM: 15.0% (+4.4)
🌍 GRN: 11.2% (-0.9)
🌹 LAB: 5.6% (-0.2)

No Ind (-6.8) as previous.

Reform HOLD.

upseedaisee · 03/10/2025 07:50

Netanyahu has had a pop at Starmer and rightly so.

Israel has accused Keir Starmer of failing to protect British Jews ahead of Thursday's murderous terrorist attack.
Israeli foreign minister Gideon Sa’ar said the Prime Minister had failed to tackle the ‘rampant anti-Semitic incitement in Britain’ and demanded an immediate ‘change of course’ from the Labour government.
Benjamin Netenyahu appeared to link the attack to Sir Keir’s controversial decision last month to recognise a Palestinian state.
The Israeli PM said his country ‘grieves with the Jewish community in the UK after the barbaric terror attack in Manchester’.
But he added: ‘As I warned at the United Nations weakness in the face of terrorism only brings more terrorism. Only strength and unity can defeat it.’

Israel lays blame for Manchester terror attack at the feet of Keir Starmer as his government is accused of failing to protect British Jews | Daily Mail Online

Israel lays blame for Manchester terror attack at the feet of Starmer

Israeli foreign minister Gideon Sa'ar said the Prime Minister had failed to tackle the 'rampant anti-Semitic incitement in Britain' and demanded an immediate 'change of course'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15157577/Israel-Manchester-terror-attack-Keir-Starmer-British-Jews.html

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 07:52

It’ll get harder for Labour and their supporters to ignore actual votes

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 07:53

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 07:52

It’ll get harder for Labour and their supporters to ignore actual votes

Oh I don't know, I'm sure they will try ie "council elections don't represent GEs" etc

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 07:53

upseedaisee · 03/10/2025 07:50

Netanyahu has had a pop at Starmer and rightly so.

Israel has accused Keir Starmer of failing to protect British Jews ahead of Thursday's murderous terrorist attack.
Israeli foreign minister Gideon Sa’ar said the Prime Minister had failed to tackle the ‘rampant anti-Semitic incitement in Britain’ and demanded an immediate ‘change of course’ from the Labour government.
Benjamin Netenyahu appeared to link the attack to Sir Keir’s controversial decision last month to recognise a Palestinian state.
The Israeli PM said his country ‘grieves with the Jewish community in the UK after the barbaric terror attack in Manchester’.
But he added: ‘As I warned at the United Nations weakness in the face of terrorism only brings more terrorism. Only strength and unity can defeat it.’

Israel lays blame for Manchester terror attack at the feet of Keir Starmer as his government is accused of failing to protect British Jews | Daily Mail Online

He has a point

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 07:56

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 07:53

Oh I don't know, I'm sure they will try ie "council elections don't represent GEs" etc

They’ll probably try but they’ll know it’s slipping.

Absentosaur · 03/10/2025 08:06

Well it looks like IDs are happening and that’s it.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194?reveal_response=yes

Government responded
This response was given on 2 October 2025

We will introduce a digital ID within this Parliament to help tackle illegal migration, make accessing government services easier, and enable wider efficiencies. We will consult on details soon.

The Government has announced plans to introduce a digital ID system which is fit for the needs of modern Britain. We are committed to making people’s everyday lives easier and more secure, to putting more control in their hands (including over their own data), and to driving growth through harnessing digital technology. We also want to learn from countries which have digitised government services for the benefit of their citizens, in line with our manifesto commitment to modernise government.

Currently, when UK citizens and residents use public services, start a new job, or, for example, buy alcohol, they often need to present an assortment of physical documents to prove who they are or things about themselves. This is both bureaucratic for the individual and creates space for abuse and fraud. This includes known issues with illegal working and modern slavery, while the fragmented approach and multiple systems across Government make it difficult for people to access vital services. Further, there are too many people who are excluded, like the 1 in 10 UK adults who don’t have a physical photo ID, so can struggle to prove who they are and access the products and services they are entitled to.

To tackle these interlinked issues, we will introduce a new national digital ID. This is not a card but a new digital identity that will be available for free to all UK citizens and legal residents aged 16 and over (although we will consider through consultation if this should be age 13 and over). Over time, people will be able to use it to seamlessly access a range of public and private sector services, with the aim of making our everyday lives easier and more secure. It will not be compulsory to obtain a digital ID but it will be mandatory for some applications.

For example, the new digital ID will build on GOV.UK One Login and the GOV.UK Wallet to drive the transformation of public services. Over time, this system will allow people to access government services – such as benefits or tax records – without needing to remember multiple logins or provide physical documents.

It will significantly streamline interactions with the state, saving time and reducing frustrating paperwork, while also helping to create opportunities for more joined up government services. International examples show how beneficial this can be.

For instance, Estonia’s system reportedly saves each citizen hours every month by streamlining unnecessary bureaucracy, and the move to becoming a digital society has saved taxpayer money.

By the end of this Parliament, employers will have to check the new digital ID when conducting a ‘right to work’ check. This will help combat criminal gangs who promise access to the UK labour market in order to profit from dangerous and illegal channel crossings. It will create a fairer system between UK citizens and legal residents, crack down on forged documents, and streamline the process for employers, driving up compliance. Further, it will create business information showing where employers are conducting checks, so driving more targeted action against non-compliant employers.

For clarity, it will not be a criminal offence to not hold a digital ID and police will not be able to demand to see a digital ID as part of a “stop and search.”

Privacy and security will also be central to the digital ID programme. We will follow data protection law and best practice in creating a system which people can rightly put their trust in. People in the UK already know and trust digital credentials held in their phone wallets to use in their everyday lives, from paying for things to storing boarding passes. The new system will be built on similar technology and be your boarding pass to government. Digitally checkable digital credentials are more secure than physical documents which can be lost, copied or forged, and often mean sharing more information than just what is necessary for a given transaction.

The new system will be designed in accordance with the highest security standards to protect against a comprehensive range of threats, including cyber-attacks.

We will launch a public consultation in the coming weeks and work closely with employers, trade unions, civil society groups and other stakeholders, to co-design the scheme and ensure it is as secure and inclusive as possible. Following consultation, we will seek to bring forward legislation to underpin this system.

Department for Science, Innovation and Technology

Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

We demand that the UK Government immediately commits to not introducing a digital ID cards. There are reports that this is being looked at.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194?reveal_response=yes

Absentosaur · 03/10/2025 08:07

Still not sure how it ‘helps tackle illegal migration’. Anybody joined the dots?

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 08:07

Eugh. Keep voting, I’ll protest if it comes up.

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 08:20

in line with our manifesto commitment to modernise government

This line stood out to me. Are they going to try and gaslight us into believing that they actually have a mandate for this?

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upseedaisee · 03/10/2025 08:22

Wow. It wasn't even debated. That response comes the the lowly department for science, innovation and technology! So basically it was shuffled along desks until it could go no further. Their contempt of citizens knows no bounds.

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 08:25

They did exactly this with the education and farming taxes. Labour have decided so it's going ahead, no debate or engagement.

upseedaisee · 03/10/2025 08:26

I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm convinced there's something going on that they don't want us to know about.

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 08:28

twistyizzy · 03/10/2025 08:25

They did exactly this with the education and farming taxes. Labour have decided so it's going ahead, no debate or engagement.

Like Trump signing executive orders you mean?

There must be a way to stop it in parliament? Every other party has come out against it, and Labour have no mandate.

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Upstartled · 03/10/2025 08:29

I think the general public could probably be disruptive enough to drag the implementation out beyond Labour's term. I think that's the best shot here. They're clearly prepared to put it through without a majority approval among the public, their party or the oversight of the whole house.

Absentosaur · 03/10/2025 08:30

TheNuthatch · 03/10/2025 08:20

in line with our manifesto commitment to modernise government

This line stood out to me. Are they going to try and gaslight us into believing that they actually have a mandate for this?

💯 This government are gaslighting champions. Need to be good at something, I suppose.

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