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Chance of a general election next year and Reform winning?

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Confused78 · 25/09/2025 21:50

They are winning in the polls it seems. I've been watching Nigel Farage's Instagram, he really just talks common sense. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he says.
I'm definitely not far right and I'm not a leftie,
I think I'm somewhere in the middle.
But I am sick of Conservative and Labour and think it's time to give a new party a chance, especially if they are going to properly tackle illegal immigrants coming over and the ones that are already here.
I don't necessarily agree with his call to deport those with Indefinite leave to remain however.

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BadgernTheGarden · 02/10/2025 21:38

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:22

Immoral? Possibly. I’m 32 and unlikely to receive a state pension (according to my financial advisor), it’s the direct consequence of poorly controlled mass immigration for decades. So, immoral or not the state pension is not guaranteed for anyone.

You financial advisor is a prat, did he really say that about immigrants? (I rather doubt it). I can't see any government removing the state pension, but we do need people to be employed in this country and paying NI and taxes to pay for it and we have a falling number of working people (falling birth rate) and a rising number of retirees, which immigration helps to balance. A state pension isn't guaranteed but I'd like to see any government or political party survive scrapping it. But your financial advisor is right that if you want a good standard of living in retirement you need to get your own ducks in a row too.

placemats · 02/10/2025 21:41

Absentosaur · 02/10/2025 21:16

No. It’s easy really to lie and claim PIP. Especially about mental health conditions. Sorry to tell you… it’s obvious really. You’ve got too much faith in the system.

Yes big companies should pay higher wages.

More importantly - huge corporations should be made to pay their taxes. Starbucks, google etc. Pay v little tax. Why? Why aren’t politicians making them pay?

Edited

It's a strict points system so not at all easy to lie. Plus interviews.

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:43

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:34

You just have an opinion that it won’t be available. If it is becoming untenable it’s demographics in general, nit immigration that are causing the issue. In order to stop state pension for all/some people there would need to be really, really long notice and changes to NI.

It’s my financial advisors opinion, he said you get 10 years notice when they adjust the age but he thinks means testing will be introduced before I reach 69 which is the new pension age in 2044.

NI isn’t paying into a pot for your future pension, I think that’s what you’re a bit confused about.

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placemats · 02/10/2025 21:44

BadgernTheGarden · 02/10/2025 21:38

You financial advisor is a prat, did he really say that about immigrants? (I rather doubt it). I can't see any government removing the state pension, but we do need people to be employed in this country and paying NI and taxes to pay for it and we have a falling number of working people (falling birth rate) and a rising number of retirees, which immigration helps to balance. A state pension isn't guaranteed but I'd like to see any government or political party survive scrapping it. But your financial advisor is right that if you want a good standard of living in retirement you need to get your own ducks in a row too.

A state pension is guaranteed however the age can be raised in order to receive it. Probably 70 for millenniums.

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:45

BadgernTheGarden · 02/10/2025 21:38

You financial advisor is a prat, did he really say that about immigrants? (I rather doubt it). I can't see any government removing the state pension, but we do need people to be employed in this country and paying NI and taxes to pay for it and we have a falling number of working people (falling birth rate) and a rising number of retirees, which immigration helps to balance. A state pension isn't guaranteed but I'd like to see any government or political party survive scrapping it. But your financial advisor is right that if you want a good standard of living in retirement you need to get your own ducks in a row too.

No my financial advisor didn’t mention immigrants. I think that part is obvious.

BIossomtoes · 02/10/2025 21:46

he said you get 10 years notice when they adjust the age

He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. The Waspi women got nothing like ten years’ notice.

Pearshapedpear · 02/10/2025 21:47

JohnWickAteMyHamster · 25/09/2025 21:55

Do you agree with all the Reform policies or just the immigration ones? A Reform government would be a disaster for us all.
Thankfully Labour won't be calling a general election.

I think Reform would be hard pressed to be more of a ‘disaster’ than Labour.

inertia123 · 02/10/2025 21:48

Pearshapedpear · 02/10/2025 21:47

I think Reform would be hard pressed to be more of a ‘disaster’ than Labour.

The DM bots are out in force.

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:48

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:36

Because we’ve done something for thousands of years doesn’t mean it’s morally wrong to do something different

Well no, but it’s been pretty much a settled debate that educating children is a good thing until very recently. I get you think it’s moral and right to tax children’s education, I don’t agree and it’s a moral red line for me. It’s a tick for Reform on education,

We all agree educating children is a good thing, that’s why we pay taxes to provide free at the point of use education for all. What I don’t think is morally correct is for well off people to buy privilege for their children, so I think taxing that a bit is fine.
I’m sure you do think education will be fine under Reform as your privilege will be entrenched. The state offering will collapse, but I don’t suppose you care about the 93% of children not currently having privilege purchased for them. I take a broader view.

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:50

inertia123 · 02/10/2025 21:29

Do you really think showing people for what they really are is desperate? I think it's really important. If it looks like a duck...

Besides, the right wing press are constantly digging up whatever they can about Labour politicians. I'm sure there are people whose entire job is just that.

It’s just opinion from when he was at school, it just comes across as desperate.

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:50

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:43

It’s my financial advisors opinion, he said you get 10 years notice when they adjust the age but he thinks means testing will be introduced before I reach 69 which is the new pension age in 2044.

NI isn’t paying into a pot for your future pension, I think that’s what you’re a bit confused about.

I literally said in an earlier post that we all know NI pays current pensions. Don’t be so condescending, especially when you haven’t read (or understood?) my posts.
Is that pension age set? I hadn’t seen it confirmed. Isn’t extending retirement age currently under review?

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:52

Pearshapedpear · 02/10/2025 21:47

I think Reform would be hard pressed to be more of a ‘disaster’ than Labour.

I think they are more than up to the challenge. (Of being much, much more of a disaster than Labour, for clarity. No other challenges. They’d be rubbish at any actually useful ones).

pointythings · 02/10/2025 21:52

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:45

No my financial advisor didn’t mention immigrants. I think that part is obvious.

No, it's not obvious. It's your bias talking. Without immigration, the demographics of the UK would be even worse than they already are.

inertia123 · 02/10/2025 21:52

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:50

It’s just opinion from when he was at school, it just comes across as desperate.

Not really an opinion if they heard him sing Hitler Youth songs, is it?

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:52

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:50

It’s just opinion from when he was at school, it just comes across as desperate.

Opinion based on facts about his actions. Singing Hitler Youth songs, for eg. And his behaviour towards other students.

Absentosaur · 02/10/2025 21:53

placemats · 02/10/2025 21:41

It's a strict points system so not at all easy to lie. Plus interviews.

Ok. You’re either being wilfully blind, ignorant or well I don’t know really. It’s very easy to get PiP.,stupidly so. We’re all mugs as tax payers.

Mugs because so many people take the piss. And mugs because huge corporations and billionaires pay less tax than we do (proportionately speaking).

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:53

Absentosaur · 02/10/2025 21:53

Ok. You’re either being wilfully blind, ignorant or well I don’t know really. It’s very easy to get PiP.,stupidly so. We’re all mugs as tax payers.

Mugs because so many people take the piss. And mugs because huge corporations and billionaires pay less tax than we do (proportionately speaking).

Have you tried to get PIP?
I haven’t, but I know people who have. It’s not easy. Don’t believe the lies.

Absentosaur · 02/10/2025 21:58

BIossomtoes · 02/10/2025 18:55

Not in Australia or Canada.

Japan has huge troubles atm also

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 21:59

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:48

We all agree educating children is a good thing, that’s why we pay taxes to provide free at the point of use education for all. What I don’t think is morally correct is for well off people to buy privilege for their children, so I think taxing that a bit is fine.
I’m sure you do think education will be fine under Reform as your privilege will be entrenched. The state offering will collapse, but I don’t suppose you care about the 93% of children not currently having privilege purchased for them. I take a broader view.

The state offering will collapse if we don’t tax non state education? This doesn’t make any sense.

I have a general rule that once people start saying privilege and you don’t care about insert identity then they’ve got no argument so it’s not really worth continuing. However you didn’t say equality, equity or call me racist so am willing to give you one more chance to put forward a rational argument for taxing children’s education and why you don’t consider it immoral. One more chance !

Absentosaur · 02/10/2025 22:01

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:53

Have you tried to get PIP?
I haven’t, but I know people who have. It’s not easy. Don’t believe the lies.

I’m not ‘believing lies’. I’m understanding evidence before my eyes. Both primary and secondary sources. In addition - just look at the bill, look at the numbers claiming. It doesn’t add up. But I can see I’m flogging a dead horse. You’ll believe what you want / need to believe / Cognitive dissonance and all that.

RainOnMePolly · 02/10/2025 22:06

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:52

Opinion based on facts about his actions. Singing Hitler Youth songs, for eg. And his behaviour towards other students.

Opinions based on facts

Yep.

Absentosaur · 02/10/2025 22:07

cardibach · 02/10/2025 21:48

We all agree educating children is a good thing, that’s why we pay taxes to provide free at the point of use education for all. What I don’t think is morally correct is for well off people to buy privilege for their children, so I think taxing that a bit is fine.
I’m sure you do think education will be fine under Reform as your privilege will be entrenched. The state offering will collapse, but I don’t suppose you care about the 93% of children not currently having privilege purchased for them. I take a broader view.

18% of 6th formers are privately educated.

Bumblebee72 · 02/10/2025 22:11

inertia123 · 02/10/2025 21:19

By cull I mean throw out - and he did just say he would if they won.

And apparently he has got form in Hitler fandom, according to his teachers.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/01/nigel-farage-what-are-schoolboy-racism-claims-why-have-they-resurfaced

Ok but that's not what culling something means and I think you know that. When farmers cull badgers they aren't asking them nicely to go to another field.

placemats · 02/10/2025 22:14

Absentosaur · 02/10/2025 21:53

Ok. You’re either being wilfully blind, ignorant or well I don’t know really. It’s very easy to get PiP.,stupidly so. We’re all mugs as tax payers.

Mugs because so many people take the piss. And mugs because huge corporations and billionaires pay less tax than we do (proportionately speaking).

It's not easy to get with mental health disorders. I know someone who has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder as a teenager, now 46, who has never been awarded PIP. They have attempted suicide twice. They can hold down their career, public facing. Albeit with several breaks in working.

EasternStandard · 02/10/2025 22:17

Absentosaur · 02/10/2025 22:07

18% of 6th formers are privately educated.

Only Labour like VAT on education, so it could be gone by next GE. That and digital ID, no other party likes that either. Both terrible policies.

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