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What do you think about proposed ID cards?

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RosieLeaLovesTea · 25/09/2025 20:07

I am not sure what I think about proposed ID cards?
does the UK public want it?
how much it is going to cost to bring them in?
what are the positives and negatives?

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ApricotCheesecake · 25/09/2025 20:08

I'm in favour. It should help reduce crime and most countries already have them.

Dearg · 25/09/2025 20:13

I want to know how the government plans to prevent them being forged. Because if they cannot do that, then they are worse than useless.

I also want to know under what circumstance we will be expected to show them.

I have concerns that the intention may be good but the execution will be poor and misuse rife.

CalmShaker · 25/09/2025 20:14

I don't see the difference over a driving license or passport really, can anyone point out what the main issue over the mentioned is please?

PrivacyDystopia · 25/09/2025 20:15

Reposted from another thread:

It’s a huge privacy concern. People should be really worried about the drip drip drip loss of privacy and autonomy that we’ve all been sleep walking into and this is yet another step in the direction of us being constantly tracked and monitored. It’s incredibly dystopian. I am very disappointed by the Lib Dems considering dropping their opposition to ID cards just because Ed Davies had a little jolly to Estonia and they told him how brilliant it was and it had no impact on privacy….how naive of him.

Some people may be comfortable with the idea of the idea of ID cards now (personally I don’t have that much faith in either our government or our justice system but others may feel differently). But what about if a hard right (or indeed hard authoritarian left) government got into power. And that's far from off the cards in the current climate/unstable world we are living in. Would you be as happy with ID cards then? Privacy is more important than ever.

And you need to think about how they could be used in the future once the infrastructure is in place, not just what the government say they will be used for initially. It could, for example, be used to track us when we move throughout different areas of the country as they do in China, or it could be used to access ANY internet, thereby monitoring all of your online use. And probably in a million ways we haven't even thought of yet as we've seen with the ways that online companies such as Google are harvested and using/selling data. This is a huge threat to democracy especially if a government gets in that is more authoritarian - how will people resist if they can be tracked everywhere, doing everything? Remember the resistance in France during the war, how would they have done that with the tracking methods available now? What would have happened to Jews in the holocaust if the Nazis had had this power - many, many more would have not been able to get away and been killed. Privacy is not just for now, you need to think about what iff the worst happens and I have no privacy, what then?

Plus you need to think about what data will be collected and by who and how securely it will be stored. As an example, in the US currently. there are private companies running some of their traffic AI cameras (which is a whole other privacy discussion for another day!), they take and store that data and sell it on to other organisations; the feeds they transport the data across are also not secure. So who will be running the UK'd digital ID scheme? Is our personal information secure? What else is being done with our personal information? Even if it's not being sold on, the UK government themselves have allowed multiple large data breaches - data online is never 100% secure. The more data that's out there, the more is linked with other data, the more our security and privacy is at risk.

This (horrifyingly) sounds like some sort of crazy conspiracy, but it's not. Start researching it yourself. Look at what Europe are currently trying to bring in at the moment (search for "Chat control" if you want to be horrified), that the UK have shown an interest in. We are on the verge of slipping into the plot of a dystopian film, and we need to be working to move things back, bringing in better protections for UK citizens, not taking a further step in the wrong direction! Privacy is a right, you ca't have a democracy without privacy, and people should be able to choose who has their data, where it goes and understand exactly what's been done with it. We are a long way form that, but in the meantime let's not slip further int the quagmire. Say NO to Digital ID cards!!!!

If you are concerned and want to do more research, check out the following websites:

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/basics/why-privacy-matters/

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/

https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/5669/blurring-line-how-militarisation-tech-reshaping-our-town-squares

https://www.eff.org/

You can support Big Brother Watch's campaign against digital here:

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

And please please write to your MP if you want to protest against Digital ID.

No2DigitalID — Big Brother Watch

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

scissy · 25/09/2025 20:17

I wonder if they'll be accepted as proof of ID, and how much they'll cost.
Passports are expensive, and not everyone can get a driver's licence (even a provisional).

MrsLizzieDarcy · 25/09/2025 20:17

I don't see the issue. I also think we should have a national DNA register.

Octavia64 · 25/09/2025 20:21

I’ve actually changed my mind on this.

twenty years ago I was against it. I’m still not sure about a physical card. But as I’ve had more and more admin hassle with various things I actually think a digital ID would be sensible.

not in the police asking to see your papers sort of sense, but just in terms of I spent hours documenting where my money had come from to buy a house (divorce) and documenting this and documenting that and honestly tying it all up together would be a fuckton easier.

justasking111 · 25/09/2025 20:29

DH years ago was for them. He's adamantly anti now. Doesn't trust the government/s motives.

TragicMuse · 25/09/2025 20:35

PrivacyDystopia · 25/09/2025 20:15

Reposted from another thread:

It’s a huge privacy concern. People should be really worried about the drip drip drip loss of privacy and autonomy that we’ve all been sleep walking into and this is yet another step in the direction of us being constantly tracked and monitored. It’s incredibly dystopian. I am very disappointed by the Lib Dems considering dropping their opposition to ID cards just because Ed Davies had a little jolly to Estonia and they told him how brilliant it was and it had no impact on privacy….how naive of him.

Some people may be comfortable with the idea of the idea of ID cards now (personally I don’t have that much faith in either our government or our justice system but others may feel differently). But what about if a hard right (or indeed hard authoritarian left) government got into power. And that's far from off the cards in the current climate/unstable world we are living in. Would you be as happy with ID cards then? Privacy is more important than ever.

And you need to think about how they could be used in the future once the infrastructure is in place, not just what the government say they will be used for initially. It could, for example, be used to track us when we move throughout different areas of the country as they do in China, or it could be used to access ANY internet, thereby monitoring all of your online use. And probably in a million ways we haven't even thought of yet as we've seen with the ways that online companies such as Google are harvested and using/selling data. This is a huge threat to democracy especially if a government gets in that is more authoritarian - how will people resist if they can be tracked everywhere, doing everything? Remember the resistance in France during the war, how would they have done that with the tracking methods available now? What would have happened to Jews in the holocaust if the Nazis had had this power - many, many more would have not been able to get away and been killed. Privacy is not just for now, you need to think about what iff the worst happens and I have no privacy, what then?

Plus you need to think about what data will be collected and by who and how securely it will be stored. As an example, in the US currently. there are private companies running some of their traffic AI cameras (which is a whole other privacy discussion for another day!), they take and store that data and sell it on to other organisations; the feeds they transport the data across are also not secure. So who will be running the UK'd digital ID scheme? Is our personal information secure? What else is being done with our personal information? Even if it's not being sold on, the UK government themselves have allowed multiple large data breaches - data online is never 100% secure. The more data that's out there, the more is linked with other data, the more our security and privacy is at risk.

This (horrifyingly) sounds like some sort of crazy conspiracy, but it's not. Start researching it yourself. Look at what Europe are currently trying to bring in at the moment (search for "Chat control" if you want to be horrified), that the UK have shown an interest in. We are on the verge of slipping into the plot of a dystopian film, and we need to be working to move things back, bringing in better protections for UK citizens, not taking a further step in the wrong direction! Privacy is a right, you ca't have a democracy without privacy, and people should be able to choose who has their data, where it goes and understand exactly what's been done with it. We are a long way form that, but in the meantime let's not slip further int the quagmire. Say NO to Digital ID cards!!!!

If you are concerned and want to do more research, check out the following websites:

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/basics/why-privacy-matters/

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/

https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/5669/blurring-line-how-militarisation-tech-reshaping-our-town-squares

https://www.eff.org/

You can support Big Brother Watch's campaign against digital here:

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

And please please write to your MP if you want to protest against Digital ID.

Edited

The vast majority are already inseparable from their phone which is capable of pinpointing our location at any given time. We have car trackers. Our bank cards show where we shop, online shopping and store loyalty cards collect masses of data.

We give our data to Mumsnet, Facebook, instagram, TikTok etc etc. We accept cookies on websites. We don’t have unique passwords and EVERYTHING is online.

Privacy is not the issue, we’re all dishing out our data every day.

The problem will be in the execution. Making it watertight. Delivering a solid and secure solution on time and to budget.

It won’t stop crime, it won’t stop people trafficking or illegal employment practices in dodgy businesses.

I think it will be a total balls-up from a technical and public contracting perspective.

The privacy is the least of my worries and data protection is my actual day job!!

ChiefCakeTestertoMaryBerry · 25/09/2025 20:45

I’ve no particular objection to ID cards. Many other countries (Denmark, Estonia for example) use them without becoming totalitarian states. The driving licence seems to double as an ID card at the moment, and when I was working at a polling station that’s what most people showed as their ID. If you don’t drive and don’t go abroad, it’s harder to have a good form of photo ID.

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 25/09/2025 21:47

Not against them as others have said we've to prove who we are on a regular basis.
I think perhaps is not the time as so many other situations need attention and another can of worms being opened is not required at the moment.
Labour really need to knuckle down to the day job in hand.

Pedallleur · 25/09/2025 21:59

MrsLizzieDarcy · 25/09/2025 20:17

I don't see the issue. I also think we should have a national DNA register.

Why not a fingerprint register and a tattoo on your arm?

ThisLemonHare · 25/09/2025 22:02

I'd be in favour of a physical card with limited information but not a digital app.

RedLeggedPartridge · 25/09/2025 22:05

In favour. More convenient than having to provide physical ID.

ChubbyPuffling · 25/09/2025 22:13

A Digital ID... produced and data security provided by the lowest bidder from the Goverment IT consultancy swamp.

What could go wrong?

MMBaranova · 25/09/2025 22:23

Capita is hacked and you don't exist.

shellyleppard · 25/09/2025 22:26

@ChiefCakeTestertoMaryBerry i used my disabled bus pass as I don't have a license or passport. My son got a letter from the council and we both voted without any problems

Namechangeragin · 25/09/2025 22:26

No not in favour.

The issue is uniting a variety of parties/individuals, Corbyn, Sultana, Farage and Lowe along with a few Labour and Conservative MPs (so far) all criticising the idea. The protest marches will be interesting.

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 25/09/2025 22:34

shellyleppard · 25/09/2025 22:26

@ChiefCakeTestertoMaryBerry i used my disabled bus pass as I don't have a license or passport. My son got a letter from the council and we both voted without any problems

Taking what you said on reflection id digital card's not required and an unnecessary expense for the Country.

Iloveyoubut · 25/09/2025 22:36

ApricotCheesecake · 25/09/2025 20:08

I'm in favour. It should help reduce crime and most countries already have them.

Genuinely, how would it help reduce crime?

senua · 25/09/2025 22:39

M&S has been hacked. The Co-op also. JLR has been out of action for weeks and they are talking about its supply chain, and the local economy, collapsing. Remember Alan Bates and his fight against the Horizon system, which the Post Office / Fujitsu said could not be wrong. Heard the news today about a children's nursery which has been hacked: the perpetrators are posting children's details on the dark web and phoning the parents (they have the personal details, of course) to get them to apply pressure on the nursery.

Now imagine that all your data is on a Government website which, in turn, is accessible by millions of other smart phones. And all those hackers. What could possibly go wrong?

ThreePears · 25/09/2025 22:54

ThisLemonHare · 25/09/2025 22:02

I'd be in favour of a physical card with limited information but not a digital app.

I agree with you. The elderly, frail, disabled, or otherwise disadvantaged would find using a digital app too difficult, if not impossible anyway. And what about those in extreme poverty who genuinely can't afford a compatible smartphone or other device?

A physical card can't be hacked. Yes, you can lose it or have it stolen, but you just report it and get a replacement, like people have done with bank cards, driving licences and passports for years.

Imaginariums · 25/09/2025 22:57

If you think about it, it’s easier to do things these days with the NHS app and online DVLA services. A one stop shop ID card sounds like a great idea.

The ship has already sailed when it comes to giving away our privacy and freedom. We’re living in a dystopian Orwellian nightmare where we have listening devices in our homes. Don’t kid yourself that this info isn’t being accessed.

it’s too late to stop this. ID cards might just make the snooping process a bit more efficient.

The thing is, would you really trust the idiotic government to run with this? It will do absolutely nothing to stop illegal immigration. We know they shouldn’t be here when they arrive. Arguably it’ll be easier to forge a digital ID than paper documents if you know what you’re doing.

Oh and just think of the absolute carnage when the system inevitably gets hacked / goes down. I’m sure they’ve bought into the whole idea it’s impossible to hack and there’ll be multiple backup secure data centres in various locations. No, nothing is impossible and it’s not just the government taking advantage of AI and innovating at pace.

So no, it’s an expensive distraction that just makes it even easier for them
to snoop on us. If you have nothing to hide why bother? Because when a totalitarian government comes in, you’ll really value your privacy.

PrivacyDystopia · 25/09/2025 23:01

TragicMuse · 25/09/2025 20:35

The vast majority are already inseparable from their phone which is capable of pinpointing our location at any given time. We have car trackers. Our bank cards show where we shop, online shopping and store loyalty cards collect masses of data.

We give our data to Mumsnet, Facebook, instagram, TikTok etc etc. We accept cookies on websites. We don’t have unique passwords and EVERYTHING is online.

Privacy is not the issue, we’re all dishing out our data every day.

The problem will be in the execution. Making it watertight. Delivering a solid and secure solution on time and to budget.

It won’t stop crime, it won’t stop people trafficking or illegal employment practices in dodgy businesses.

I think it will be a total balls-up from a technical and public contracting perspective.

The privacy is the least of my worries and data protection is my actual day job!!

Privacy is the issue (although you are right about the rest of it too!). The fact that all this information has already been let out of the bag doesn't mean it's futile to give up! It's even more reason to fight as its so problematic and pervasive. We need to push back, not let more of our privacy, autonomy and rights fly out of the window.

There are plenty of things you can do to improve your privacy online if you want to:

  • Stop allowing anything other than essential cookies
  • Use privacy focussed email providers and browsers and messaging apps
  • Use a VPN to stop your ISP logging your browsing history.
  • Get away as much as you can from Google and Meta
  • Set up email aliases and unique passwords
  • Limit app use
  • Limit which services have access to your location
  • Ensure you understand what providers will do with your personal information and if you don't like it, don't sign up, tell them why.
  • Delete as much data as you can from the internet
  • Don't give your data to social media or other organisations when you don't have to - use sites that don't require it to sign up, or to whom you can give an "online identity" to.
  • Turn off all sharing permissions on cars and don't upload your mobile to your car*

Take it one step at a time, and don't get overwhelmed! They want it all to feel confusing and hopeless, don't let the fuckers grind you down!

Privacy also isn't an all or nothing - you can massively reduce what information is known about you, and what you want or need to do wil depend on what privacy and security risks you want to limit/avoid.....except when the government mandates that you have to your entire life on a hackable digital ID card and takes your autonomy to do anything out of your hands.

If anyone wants to start improving their online privacy and security, then this site is really good for tips, how to decide what you want/need to focus on, and suggestions for alternatives:

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/basics/why-privacy-matters/

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/tools/

*Car privacy is an absolute shit show. Car manufacturers are taking all sorts of information about you and being very opaque about it - it differs from manufacturer to manufacturer, but along with location data, but it can include:

Location Data: where you go, how often, and how long you stay
Voice Recordings: Voice recognition systems can record your voice when using in-car commands or interacting with the infotainment system.
Personal and Sensitive Data: Car manufacturers may collect information about your race, immigration status, genetic information, and sexual activity, often through sensors, microphones, and cameras.
Financial and Employment Information: Data related to your income, spending habits, and workplace commuting patterns can be gathered.
Calendar and Activities: Some cars can access and store your calendar events and to-do lists.
Personal Photos & Images: If you connect your phone or use in-car infotainment, your personal photos may be accessible, and the car may capture images from cabin-facing and external cameras.
Text Messages: Again if you connect your phone to your car, cars can read your text messages.
Phone Habits: Connecting your phone or using a manufacturer's app allows the car to collect data on your phone usage, including call logs, text messages, and navigation history.
Inferences and Profiling: Car companies use collected data to make inferences about your intelligence, abilities, interests, and psychological traits.

There are huge concerns about how car manufacturers (who are not like a financial services company which is set up for data security) are storing and transmitting this data - the dat transmissions are in particular known to be insecure when testes. This information is then frequently shared or sold to third parties, including advertisers, insurance firms, data brokers, and sometimes even law enforcement, often without clear user consent.

The big issues is that they are all pretty much doing it, in many you can't turn off transmission of data to the manufacturer, and for those you can, many of the options and terms are so woolly it's unclear if there is no data transmission, or not. Also turning of data transmission means you usually lose access to functions on your very expensive car that you just paid a fortune for because you want to use all the bells and whistles, as you should be able to without also having to give away all your data for free . So they have you over a bit of a barrel which they are unlikely to change without legislation So I'm intending to write to my MP and the ICO on this one. If more people do the same, there might be some change. If we continue being passive about it and saying there's no hope, we'll definitely just continue down this path of losing more and more privacy and security.

Finding out about the car data issue is what actually moved me from being passive to wanting to fight back. Fuck off Honda or Kia or VW - no I don't want you have recordings of my conservations and images in a place where I should have a reasonable expectation of privacy (and my passengers who definitely haven't agreed to any T&Cs before entering my car), or be taking all my text messages, AND without making it blatantly and explicitly clear that's what they are doing. It's so underhand. It angers me quite frankly, that they are allowed to do this, and make it seem inert by using words like "your data", as opposed to "we will take all your text messages and listen the conversations you are having in your car". There should be fucking black box warnings in simple and plain English telling people exactly what they are up to, and what they will be doing with that data.

This is a good YouTube series about car privacy that I haven't watched in full as yet (so don't shoot the messenger if it gets less good at the end!). Disclaimer: Youtube is owned by Google, if you want to access YT without being tracked then are suggestions of how to do this, on Privacy Guides (linked to above).

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt3zZ-N423gVRXVr5VTFglMdP4S1MN0Ro

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RedToothBrush · 25/09/2025 23:04

It's a policy to try and save Starmer's job.

It's not a policy to reduce crime or illegal immigration. These two things will continue regardless, but will also target ID and exploit more vulnerable individuals as a result of the cards.

It will be outsourced abroad somewhere and end up being a massive security risk. Hideously expensive white elephant in the making.

Bad idea.