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What do you think about proposed ID cards?

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RosieLeaLovesTea · 25/09/2025 20:07

I am not sure what I think about proposed ID cards?
does the UK public want it?
how much it is going to cost to bring them in?
what are the positives and negatives?

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PrivacyDystopia · 25/09/2025 23:05

Octavia64 · 25/09/2025 20:21

I’ve actually changed my mind on this.

twenty years ago I was against it. I’m still not sure about a physical card. But as I’ve had more and more admin hassle with various things I actually think a digital ID would be sensible.

not in the police asking to see your papers sort of sense, but just in terms of I spent hours documenting where my money had come from to buy a house (divorce) and documenting this and documenting that and honestly tying it all up together would be a fuckton easier.

And how would you have one without the other, once that genie's out of the bag, the scope will extend bit by bit, and I think it's very unlikely that the police won't be demanding to see people's digital ID on a whim.

TerraCotter · 25/09/2025 23:06

MrsLizzieDarcy · 25/09/2025 20:17

I don't see the issue. I also think we should have a national DNA register.

I agree!

ReceiveIt · 25/09/2025 23:07

Well considering my phone has my fingerprint, facial recognition, location, buying habits, financial info and is pretty much an extension of my brain I dont see what harm an ID card could do.

Namechangeragin · 25/09/2025 23:07

They couldn’t even keep the Afghan data safe. Jaguar Landrover have been hacked. Coop. Knights of Old (haulage firm) went under due to a ransom attack.

How will it reduce crime? Are they planning on stop and searching and asking us to produce ID too? If so maybe stop and search could restart immediately. Or is it online posts they wish to monitor?

They don’t even put peados in prison when they find thousands of pictures on their computers.

They brush the rapes of thousands of girls under the carpet (Jess Phillips has been quiet on this) and we find the police and councils and social services are complicit.

The man who was caught on camera threatening to kill someone with a knife got a suspended sentence.

Starmer and McSweeney appear to have not disclosed over £700k of donations - surely this is criminal? Maybe MPs could test the digi ID and we can track what they are doing.

PrivacyDystopia · 25/09/2025 23:09

TerraCotter · 25/09/2025 23:06

I agree!

Yes we must have that, that would have gone so well in Nazi Germany after all. It would be great also for anyone that believes in Eugenics, or any racists.

PrivacyDystopia · 25/09/2025 23:11

Namechangeragin · 25/09/2025 23:07

They couldn’t even keep the Afghan data safe. Jaguar Landrover have been hacked. Coop. Knights of Old (haulage firm) went under due to a ransom attack.

How will it reduce crime? Are they planning on stop and searching and asking us to produce ID too? If so maybe stop and search could restart immediately. Or is it online posts they wish to monitor?

They don’t even put peados in prison when they find thousands of pictures on their computers.

They brush the rapes of thousands of girls under the carpet (Jess Phillips has been quiet on this) and we find the police and councils and social services are complicit.

The man who was caught on camera threatening to kill someone with a knife got a suspended sentence.

Starmer and McSweeney appear to have not disclosed over £700k of donations - surely this is criminal? Maybe MPs could test the digi ID and we can track what they are doing.

Interestingly, in the latest EU push to introduce Chat Control that I mentioned upthread, MPs would be exempt. Funny that.

justasking111 · 25/09/2025 23:12

Reading here what my husband's new VW is capable of reading from his phone. He can stop taking the mick out of my 20 years old car right now.

PrivacyDystopia · 25/09/2025 23:14

ReceiveIt · 25/09/2025 23:07

Well considering my phone has my fingerprint, facial recognition, location, buying habits, financial info and is pretty much an extension of my brain I dont see what harm an ID card could do.

You don't have to continue to give all your data away if you don't want to.

Imaginariums · 25/09/2025 23:20

Namechangeragin · 25/09/2025 23:07

They couldn’t even keep the Afghan data safe. Jaguar Landrover have been hacked. Coop. Knights of Old (haulage firm) went under due to a ransom attack.

How will it reduce crime? Are they planning on stop and searching and asking us to produce ID too? If so maybe stop and search could restart immediately. Or is it online posts they wish to monitor?

They don’t even put peados in prison when they find thousands of pictures on their computers.

They brush the rapes of thousands of girls under the carpet (Jess Phillips has been quiet on this) and we find the police and councils and social services are complicit.

The man who was caught on camera threatening to kill someone with a knife got a suspended sentence.

Starmer and McSweeney appear to have not disclosed over £700k of donations - surely this is criminal? Maybe MPs could test the digi ID and we can track what they are doing.

Where did the donations come from? Hope it wasn’t big tech

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 25/09/2025 23:24

An absolute gift to forgers. Bring it on!

Some of the Governments well off, establishment companies plus friends will be lining up for this cntrac to trouser a fortune.

Think De la Rue who do bank notes. And Thales for Pass Ports. Not to mention the IT systems which will be needed.

Think BlackRock. Sorry, do it on the cheap through Servo and really make a mess of it.

ACynicalDad · 25/09/2025 23:28

I was against it 20 years ago but quite happy with it now. I don’t want something I have to carry 24/7, although ironically I probably would. What I think we need is all government systems to speak to each other, not a separate database at dvla, hmrc, passport office, job centres, NHS etc. I guess they can all be united by a digital number. It does need to be secure which seems a challenge but Estonia shows what’s possible.

I’ve hired a few non British staff recently and the digital check off their right to work is working as well as it can.

GentleSheep · 25/09/2025 23:40

Against. Everything @PrivacyDystopia has said, plus in future we will likely shift to digital currency which will also link in to this system, meaning it's pretty easy to control citizens. It's a scary thought.

PrincessFiorimonde · 25/09/2025 23:44

ChubbyPuffling · 25/09/2025 22:13

A Digital ID... produced and data security provided by the lowest bidder from the Goverment IT consultancy swamp.

What could go wrong?

Agreed.

I'm instinctively against the idea, for the reasons outlined by various previous posters on this thread.

shellyleppard · 25/09/2025 23:55

@ChiefCakeTestertoMaryBerry thank you x

JohnBullshit · 25/09/2025 23:57

The proposal can fuck off. I choose what to have on my phone. I choose when to take it with me, or not. I don't trust government contractors with my data, and I don't trust them to make it hackproof.

duckfordinner · 26/09/2025 00:02

JohnBullshit · 25/09/2025 23:57

The proposal can fuck off. I choose what to have on my phone. I choose when to take it with me, or not. I don't trust government contractors with my data, and I don't trust them to make it hackproof.

100% this

Hiptothisjive · 26/09/2025 00:04

PrivacyDystopia · 25/09/2025 20:15

Reposted from another thread:

It’s a huge privacy concern. People should be really worried about the drip drip drip loss of privacy and autonomy that we’ve all been sleep walking into and this is yet another step in the direction of us being constantly tracked and monitored. It’s incredibly dystopian. I am very disappointed by the Lib Dems considering dropping their opposition to ID cards just because Ed Davies had a little jolly to Estonia and they told him how brilliant it was and it had no impact on privacy….how naive of him.

Some people may be comfortable with the idea of the idea of ID cards now (personally I don’t have that much faith in either our government or our justice system but others may feel differently). But what about if a hard right (or indeed hard authoritarian left) government got into power. And that's far from off the cards in the current climate/unstable world we are living in. Would you be as happy with ID cards then? Privacy is more important than ever.

And you need to think about how they could be used in the future once the infrastructure is in place, not just what the government say they will be used for initially. It could, for example, be used to track us when we move throughout different areas of the country as they do in China, or it could be used to access ANY internet, thereby monitoring all of your online use. And probably in a million ways we haven't even thought of yet as we've seen with the ways that online companies such as Google are harvested and using/selling data. This is a huge threat to democracy especially if a government gets in that is more authoritarian - how will people resist if they can be tracked everywhere, doing everything? Remember the resistance in France during the war, how would they have done that with the tracking methods available now? What would have happened to Jews in the holocaust if the Nazis had had this power - many, many more would have not been able to get away and been killed. Privacy is not just for now, you need to think about what iff the worst happens and I have no privacy, what then?

Plus you need to think about what data will be collected and by who and how securely it will be stored. As an example, in the US currently. there are private companies running some of their traffic AI cameras (which is a whole other privacy discussion for another day!), they take and store that data and sell it on to other organisations; the feeds they transport the data across are also not secure. So who will be running the UK'd digital ID scheme? Is our personal information secure? What else is being done with our personal information? Even if it's not being sold on, the UK government themselves have allowed multiple large data breaches - data online is never 100% secure. The more data that's out there, the more is linked with other data, the more our security and privacy is at risk.

This (horrifyingly) sounds like some sort of crazy conspiracy, but it's not. Start researching it yourself. Look at what Europe are currently trying to bring in at the moment (search for "Chat control" if you want to be horrified), that the UK have shown an interest in. We are on the verge of slipping into the plot of a dystopian film, and we need to be working to move things back, bringing in better protections for UK citizens, not taking a further step in the wrong direction! Privacy is a right, you ca't have a democracy without privacy, and people should be able to choose who has their data, where it goes and understand exactly what's been done with it. We are a long way form that, but in the meantime let's not slip further int the quagmire. Say NO to Digital ID cards!!!!

If you are concerned and want to do more research, check out the following websites:

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/basics/why-privacy-matters/

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/

https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/5669/blurring-line-how-militarisation-tech-reshaping-our-town-squares

https://www.eff.org/

You can support Big Brother Watch's campaign against digital here:

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

And please please write to your MP if you want to protest against Digital ID.

Edited

Wow. A down a rabbit hole you go.

I hate to break it to you - the government has all of our info anyway.

We aren’t losing our privacy. It was lost a long time ago.

duckfordinner · 26/09/2025 00:04

GentleSheep · 25/09/2025 23:40

Against. Everything @PrivacyDystopia has said, plus in future we will likely shift to digital currency which will also link in to this system, meaning it's pretty easy to control citizens. It's a scary thought.

Great point. Digital IDs = Digital slavery!

justasking111 · 26/09/2025 00:11

The government couldn't even manage to computerise our NHS records after spending millions which might have been handy. I'm not holding out much hope that they'll get a digital app to work

Proudofitbabe · 26/09/2025 00:22

Absolutely not. I’ve got all the usual traditional IDs. There is no good reason for it, except as a power grab. Reminds me of the covid “passports” shudder.
Let those without the “usual” docs use them as an alternative, fine by me, but
most people adamantly don’t want them, or are indifferent, so why does Starmer want to push this? He has done bugger all that’s in my interests, and I don’t think that’s suddenly about to change. This is just more authoritarian pointless crap.

Anonymousemouses · 26/09/2025 00:34

Aside from the privacy concerns, does anyone remember the then government, losing discs containing all the data of child benefit recipients. It was in 2007ish and I was one of them. No, I don't trust them to keep our personal data safe.

Vaxtable · 26/09/2025 02:11

PrivacyDystopia · 25/09/2025 20:15

Reposted from another thread:

It’s a huge privacy concern. People should be really worried about the drip drip drip loss of privacy and autonomy that we’ve all been sleep walking into and this is yet another step in the direction of us being constantly tracked and monitored. It’s incredibly dystopian. I am very disappointed by the Lib Dems considering dropping their opposition to ID cards just because Ed Davies had a little jolly to Estonia and they told him how brilliant it was and it had no impact on privacy….how naive of him.

Some people may be comfortable with the idea of the idea of ID cards now (personally I don’t have that much faith in either our government or our justice system but others may feel differently). But what about if a hard right (or indeed hard authoritarian left) government got into power. And that's far from off the cards in the current climate/unstable world we are living in. Would you be as happy with ID cards then? Privacy is more important than ever.

And you need to think about how they could be used in the future once the infrastructure is in place, not just what the government say they will be used for initially. It could, for example, be used to track us when we move throughout different areas of the country as they do in China, or it could be used to access ANY internet, thereby monitoring all of your online use. And probably in a million ways we haven't even thought of yet as we've seen with the ways that online companies such as Google are harvested and using/selling data. This is a huge threat to democracy especially if a government gets in that is more authoritarian - how will people resist if they can be tracked everywhere, doing everything? Remember the resistance in France during the war, how would they have done that with the tracking methods available now? What would have happened to Jews in the holocaust if the Nazis had had this power - many, many more would have not been able to get away and been killed. Privacy is not just for now, you need to think about what iff the worst happens and I have no privacy, what then?

Plus you need to think about what data will be collected and by who and how securely it will be stored. As an example, in the US currently. there are private companies running some of their traffic AI cameras (which is a whole other privacy discussion for another day!), they take and store that data and sell it on to other organisations; the feeds they transport the data across are also not secure. So who will be running the UK'd digital ID scheme? Is our personal information secure? What else is being done with our personal information? Even if it's not being sold on, the UK government themselves have allowed multiple large data breaches - data online is never 100% secure. The more data that's out there, the more is linked with other data, the more our security and privacy is at risk.

This (horrifyingly) sounds like some sort of crazy conspiracy, but it's not. Start researching it yourself. Look at what Europe are currently trying to bring in at the moment (search for "Chat control" if you want to be horrified), that the UK have shown an interest in. We are on the verge of slipping into the plot of a dystopian film, and we need to be working to move things back, bringing in better protections for UK citizens, not taking a further step in the wrong direction! Privacy is a right, you ca't have a democracy without privacy, and people should be able to choose who has their data, where it goes and understand exactly what's been done with it. We are a long way form that, but in the meantime let's not slip further int the quagmire. Say NO to Digital ID cards!!!!

If you are concerned and want to do more research, check out the following websites:

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/basics/why-privacy-matters/

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/

https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/5669/blurring-line-how-militarisation-tech-reshaping-our-town-squares

https://www.eff.org/

You can support Big Brother Watch's campaign against digital here:

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/no2digitalid/

And please please write to your MP if you want to protest against Digital ID.

Edited

It’s no more of a concern than anything else ID related

we all have ID used daily, utility bills, passports,, driving licences, bus passes, blue badges, NHs numbers, NI numbers, bank statements, use of fingerprints or facial recognition to open phones.

We are already watched day in day out with CCTV, dash cams, ring doorbells, random filming by phones and then onto social media

Many many countries across the world have ID cards, in some countries it’s compulsory to carry them, in others it’s not, but residents don’t seem bothered about having them and Governments manage to keep the data secure

If we can have one card that carry’s ID driving license, bus pass NI numbers etc then how much better,and if it helps stop illegal immigration then fine as well

I don’t have an issue with it,

Thortour · 26/09/2025 02:54

I'm 100% for it.

ChubbyPuffling · 26/09/2025 07:23

It's not a card though, that is partly the point that others have dystopian nightmares over. It is a Digital ID to prove your right to work here.

Why the hell do I need to prove my right to work in my country? My right to live here? People who don't have the right will continue to use the dark economy. How will it stop them? (And that is aside from the "computer says no" possibilities.)

The newsheadline this morning - "compulsory digital ID will be introduced".... followed immediately by "cyber attackers steal data from children's nursery and drip publish on the dark Web..."

EasternStandard · 26/09/2025 07:35

Proudofitbabe · 26/09/2025 00:22

Absolutely not. I’ve got all the usual traditional IDs. There is no good reason for it, except as a power grab. Reminds me of the covid “passports” shudder.
Let those without the “usual” docs use them as an alternative, fine by me, but
most people adamantly don’t want them, or are indifferent, so why does Starmer want to push this? He has done bugger all that’s in my interests, and I don’t think that’s suddenly about to change. This is just more authoritarian pointless crap.

Yep I notice it’s a ‘digital ID scheme’ it’s a power grab. If you can’t lead, control.

I hope it backfires and takes them out at the next GE. MRP today show they’d be out.