What do you think about proposed ID cards?

[RosieLeaLovesTea]

I am not sure what I think about proposed ID cards?
does the UK public want it?
how much it is going to cost to bring them in?
what are the positives and negatives?

I agree.

It won't stop illegal immigration. We have passports for identification We have insurance numbers and NHS numbers. It won't stop illegal immigration if that's supposed to be the purpose of identification cards.,

Privacy is not the issue, we’re all dishing out our data every day.
The problem will be in the execution. Making it watertight. Delivering a solid and secure solution on time and to budget.
It won’t stop crime, it won’t stop people trafficking or illegal employment practices in dodgy businesses.
I think it will be a total balls-up from a technical and public contracting perspective.

Completely agree with this.

There’s already no allowance for those who may struggle to use apps- for whatever reason- the expectation that everyone has parking apps, access to £credit, etc.
M&S was hacked, as a result you couldn’t order a nice top for a few weeks, now imagine a world where you can’t prove who you are if the system is hacked? You can’t prove who you are if you’ve not got your smartphone on you (the id will be an app) and you can be arrested and profiled based on opinions you have on forums such as MN. This already happens for commercial reasons, WhatsApp and social media is the template for this, but imagine living in a world where it happened because your government demanded it 😞

Another hacking opportunity for criminals. And with a project of this magnitude, what could possibly go wrong?

Maybe it could be mirrored on the Post Office’s Horizon system.

I fight constantly at work to preserve access to paper based traditional systems for that sector of society who can't use phone-based stuff.

For clarity - I work with adults with learning disabilities and the move towards app-everything has massively disadvantaged a sector of society who have a cognitive ability where they can just about function with some very limited literacy skills and general savvy-ness about life - so shopping based on food packaging and general cues etc but still very vulnerable. Often these people have a limited support package in the community so will do things like keep their letters for the time their support worker is coming around and get them to read them and help them deal with life admin.

Harder to do when everything requires an app.

I remember one lady who chugged along OKish through life with her child - however school were complaining that she was a parent who never responded to any of the information from school and how they were amazing at communicating with parents... it was all done through a school app. This lady couldn't work a smartphone and no one had joined the dots and worked out why she was "that parent" who never replied to anything - they'd just assumed. It took a 10 minute chat with school for the office to print out a paper letter and stick it in her kids schoolbag and she was able to take that to her support worker and get them to tell her what it said and help her action anything that needed doing.... after bloody years.

I'm also against them on privacy grounds - as heavily detailed above and on the fact that if there's a country in the world that can screw this up by giving the contract to their mates - it'll be us.

I used to be in favour of them but not any more. They will be used as a tool for control of the law abiding citizens whilst those they are abusing 'the system' anyway will continue to do so and get away with it.

I'm just amused that something that used to be seen as a hallmark of fascist states when I was young, has now become acceptable to the progressive left.

I wouldn't mind a physical one. not keen on a phone one. too many people don't have smart phones.

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It’s 1984.

I’ve never really been scared of our government until the past year. These are dark times.

I would prefer a physical card rather than digital.
I have arthritic hands and increasingly find it difficult to type use apps on my phone. I hit the wrong buttons or it hurts.
We are an aging population and many more may have this problem in the future.

I often run out of phone data some months.
I might forget to charge my phone and be out of battery.
What happens if my phone is stolen?

What about people with learning difficulties or autism who may not have the money for upto date phones?

What happens when you have to replace your phone for whatever reason?

What happens to the old phones with the information on them?

I know many people who keep their old phone as a spare in case of emergencies.

I know a physical card can be stolen but it doesn't contain my bank details.

My mum didn’t like travelling and never drove so getting her id’d was a nightmare. The best photo id she had was her bus pass so a photo id card would have been perfect for her. My father in law is in a similar position, not been abroad since his wife died 11 years ago and is not legally allowed to drive anymore so he now has the same problem. I think there are many people over 70/75 in this position.

Think of the Post Office Horizon software farce, and multiply it by a hundred!

DH has worked at high level on several big government IT projects, he reckons we might get some cards in two or three years but they will just be glorified driving licences and won’t be linked to anything, because the legacy databases they are supposed to link up are a complete shambles.

One is run on computers that are obsolete and the engineers have to buy spare components on eBay! A government department database!!

To have the systems we are being promised, which will give us everything in one place could take 20 years.

It’s just a desperate pre-conference sound bite from an utterly hopeless PM

Crazy huh. Orwell wrote a good book on that. All we needed was Starmer selling it in.

Wait until your carbon allowance and social credits kick in.

I can’t believe the naivety of people and shocked to read the support of this. It’s as though people loved being locked down and can’t wait for more of the same. Can people really not see where this is heading? It’s an open door to absolute totalitarian state control (and has absolutely ZERO to do with stopping the boats).

Im against it. Im prepared to protest and lobby my MP. We have enough methods of ID. Only the law abiding will comply. Had they been in place during covid19 Im convinced those who didnt get a covid19 jab would have been been penalised using this system.

@TorturedParentsDepartment A big thank you for highlighting this.
My DW has low literacy and numeracy and wouldn't know how to circumnavigate digital stuff.
I see how she struggles and I do it for her.
I think people without these barriers sometimes don't appreciate how hard it's for those that do.

@peanutbuttertoastyyep

I'll not be complying. They can do one.

Like many people I used to be against it in principle, but I can see times have changed and it's a freedom that I'm happy to sacrifice to make the country safer and to hold people to account.

That’s the thing. Some people DID love being locked down and thought healthy 20 year olds without jabs should be denied access to the pub. Lunacy but those people are still out there, and this paves the way for the same kind of thing. I cannot get my head around the mentality that such a blatant power grab is in the interests of the average law-abiding person.

You’re happy to sacrifice your freedom? Incredible.

Are you happy for them to dictate where you travel, how much you spend, what you can spend it on, what you say online etc etc? Really?

Those saying that Covid was a trial run for something are actually starting to sound sensible.

Yep they did. Some on here too. I’m with you and @peanutbuttertoastyon how mad it is to watch people want more of that kind of control.