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What do you think about proposed ID cards?

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RosieLeaLovesTea · 25/09/2025 20:07

I am not sure what I think about proposed ID cards?
does the UK public want it?
how much it is going to cost to bring them in?
what are the positives and negatives?

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BurntBroccoli · 28/09/2025 10:44

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 16:00

No, those are far right!
There is no official classification of ultra hard right as far as I can find.

Who is ultra hard left?

So how would you rate these in terms of right wing parties on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being most right wing):

Reform UK
Advance UK Ltd
UKIP
Conservatives
Heritage Party
Homeland Party

twistyizzy · 28/09/2025 11:47

BurntBroccoli · 28/09/2025 10:44

So how would you rate these in terms of right wing parties on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being most right wing):

Reform UK
Advance UK Ltd
UKIP
Conservatives
Heritage Party
Homeland Party

Never heard of half of them.

You haven't answered my Q though, there is no agreed definition of "ultra right wing" and is there an ultra left wing?

This is the problem when you start calling everyone who disagrees with you "far right".

fishtank12345 · 28/09/2025 11:54

JohnBullshit · 25/09/2025 23:57

The proposal can fuck off. I choose what to have on my phone. I choose when to take it with me, or not. I don't trust government contractors with my data, and I don't trust them to make it hackproof.

Yes and some of us have chosen not to use a smart phone anymore moving forward, for variety of reasons.

BurntBroccoli · 28/09/2025 11:54

twistyizzy · 28/09/2025 11:47

Never heard of half of them.

You haven't answered my Q though, there is no agreed definition of "ultra right wing" and is there an ultra left wing?

This is the problem when you start calling everyone who disagrees with you "far right".

Current left of centre parties in the UK are
Labour
SNP
Green Party
Lib Dems

What do you think about proposed ID cards?
twistyizzy · 28/09/2025 11:56

BurntBroccoli · 28/09/2025 11:54

Current left of centre parties in the UK are
Labour
SNP
Green Party
Lib Dems

I didn't ask that, I asked is there a category for ultra left wing.

BurntBroccoli · 28/09/2025 15:34

twistyizzy · 28/09/2025 11:56

I didn't ask that, I asked is there a category for ultra left wing.

I guess if you are using my graph above, the Green Party would fall into that ultra left wing category.

EasternStandard · 28/09/2025 15:39

BurntBroccoli · 28/09/2025 11:54

Current left of centre parties in the UK are
Labour
SNP
Green Party
Lib Dems

Where is that from?

Some things such as a digital ID scheme don’t work with the positioning in terms of state intervention and control.

twistyizzy · 28/09/2025 16:01

BurntBroccoli · 28/09/2025 15:34

I guess if you are using my graph above, the Green Party would fall into that ultra left wing category.

Except they aren't, they aren't even far left are they? Verging on far left but not. If Greens are ultra left then what are the workers party?

You've just made a category up

RosieLeaLovesTea · 29/09/2025 21:22

What I do know in the countries I am familiar with that have them are the ID card is used as a passport and the number also like NI no. Soone card does all those things- what are we going to have in the UK: passport, NI number and then an ID card which adds the bureaucracy and cost? Not simplifying it.

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RosieLeaLovesTea · 29/09/2025 21:40

TrickyD · 26/09/2025 23:00

So much hysterical nonsense on show.
ID cards are not new in this country. Thanks to the National Registration Act, 1939, everyone including children had to carry their ID card at all time. The act was only repealed in 1952.
Very few prosecutions for non-compliance, people saw the sense of them.
They were helpful at a time when bombings meant people could be scattered and children lost. Not a consideration today, but they would be useful for statistical purposes when planning welfare and similar policies.

I am not really sure that is a strong argument. 1939-1952 is not a long time to have National ID cards before repealing the Act and stopping the requirement for ID cards.

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YourBrickTiger · 01/10/2025 11:38

I absolutely refuse to have what they are calling here a 'Brit' card. I'm from the UK, but not from England and it is already causing a lot of controversy here. We have such a divided population where I am from and a lot of people will not EVER carry anything with a union jack on it. If, like Wales is proposing, my own country's flag is represented that is a different thing but I do not identify as British and will not be accepting one. I'm born and bred in my own part of the UK, but this cannot and should not be all about 'being British' because my country for the most part won't accept it.

justasking111 · 01/10/2025 12:35

Pedallleur · 28/09/2025 08:42

You aren't comparing like for like. We don't know yet what details this card will hold or what the card will look like. Phone app? Physical card? Acc to some Mumsnetters we should be chipped and have a card superglued to our foreheads with summary execution for those who don't comply. You said yourself you don't know what details your other card holds. But the Govt wants apps. Easier to get the data for them

Someone said that the Home Office haven't agreed to the ID system (did anyone bother to ask them?).
I suspect like the NHS merging issue it's a limping duck

justasking111 · 01/10/2025 12:39

YourBrickTiger · 01/10/2025 11:38

I absolutely refuse to have what they are calling here a 'Brit' card. I'm from the UK, but not from England and it is already causing a lot of controversy here. We have such a divided population where I am from and a lot of people will not EVER carry anything with a union jack on it. If, like Wales is proposing, my own country's flag is represented that is a different thing but I do not identify as British and will not be accepting one. I'm born and bred in my own part of the UK, but this cannot and should not be all about 'being British' because my country for the most part won't accept it.

Well in Wales. They'll want the flag. It will have to be bilingual. It'll be the size of my kindle. They'll want their own data imprinted on it.

Which is why we still haven't got the NHS app 🙄

EasternStandard · 01/10/2025 13:07

RosieLeaLovesTea · 29/09/2025 21:40

I am not really sure that is a strong argument. 1939-1952 is not a long time to have National ID cards before repealing the Act and stopping the requirement for ID cards.

Yeh it’s not great.

YourBrickTiger · 01/10/2025 13:21

justasking111 · 01/10/2025 12:39

Well in Wales. They'll want the flag. It will have to be bilingual. It'll be the size of my kindle. They'll want their own data imprinted on it.

Which is why we still haven't got the NHS app 🙄

That's funny 😍In N. Ireland it will start a war. Not literally but pretty much.

celticnations · 07/10/2025 19:14

YourBrickTiger · 01/10/2025 13:21

That's funny 😍In N. Ireland it will start a war. Not literally but pretty much.

No Republican or Nationalist will carry an ID card indentifying them as being British.

Ludicrous. Ill thought. Dangerous.

Starwarsepisode3 · 07/10/2025 19:24

celticnations · 07/10/2025 19:14

No Republican or Nationalist will carry an ID card indentifying them as being British.

Ludicrous. Ill thought. Dangerous.

Agree. And how would it work with Irish citizens and the CTA? Never mind the GFA?

YourBrickTiger · 08/10/2025 09:52

celticnations · 07/10/2025 19:14

No Republican or Nationalist will carry an ID card indentifying them as being British.

Ludicrous. Ill thought. Dangerous.

Agreed, I won't so does that mean I lose my job?

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 15:46

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjvrgd48evo
Government to consult on digital IDs for 13-year-olds

You fucking WHAT?!

No. Fuck off.

There's your consultation response.

And even the LDs have an official position on this which is similar to my own.

Headshot of Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper speaking at the Labour Party's autumn conference in Liverpool last month. She is wearing a dark jacket and her grey hair is styled in a pixie cut. She has small earrings and stands against a bright red backdr...

Government to consult on digital IDs for 13-year-olds

There has been a backlash to the announcement a UK-wide digital ID scheme will be introduced by 2029.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjvrgd48evo

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 15:47

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 15:46

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjvrgd48evo
Government to consult on digital IDs for 13-year-olds

You fucking WHAT?!

No. Fuck off.

There's your consultation response.

And even the LDs have an official position on this which is similar to my own.

Yep!
I thought ID cards were to control immigration?? 🤔
Why do 13 Yr olds need them?

It's insidious

If you scrutinise the Schools Bill you will see they have already written in ID cards for children. Didn't advertise that did they?

What do you think about proposed ID cards?
Needtosoundoffandbreathe · 10/10/2025 15:49

Surely ID cards are to confirm a person's ID and their eligibility for services, etc.?

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 15:54

Defending the plans to consider the inclusion of 13 to 16-year-olds in the scheme, Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper told LBC: "Everybody has forms of digital ID... We all have different ways of having to prove who we are.
^^
"Lots of 13-year-olds already do [have a form of digital ID], and what the department is going to be consulting on is exactly how that should be taken forward.
^^
"I do think that this is the right way forward, to have this standardised process now, and it's something that we had been already setting out for people who come to work from abroad.

AND

"The Liberal Democrats said the consultation on offering digital ID to 13-year-olds showed they had been right to warn about "mission creep".

"It's frankly sinister, unnecessary, and a clear step towards state overreach," said the party's science and technology spokesperson Victoria Collins.

You can't claim

Under the government plans, digital ID will be available to all UK citizens and legal residents but only mandatory in order to work. It will be optional for students, pensioners or others not seeking work.

And then say 13 - 16 year olds will be part of it. Just how many 13 - 16 year olds are in paid employment in the UK in 2025?

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 15:55

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 15:54

Defending the plans to consider the inclusion of 13 to 16-year-olds in the scheme, Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper told LBC: "Everybody has forms of digital ID... We all have different ways of having to prove who we are.
^^
"Lots of 13-year-olds already do [have a form of digital ID], and what the department is going to be consulting on is exactly how that should be taken forward.
^^
"I do think that this is the right way forward, to have this standardised process now, and it's something that we had been already setting out for people who come to work from abroad.

AND

"The Liberal Democrats said the consultation on offering digital ID to 13-year-olds showed they had been right to warn about "mission creep".

"It's frankly sinister, unnecessary, and a clear step towards state overreach," said the party's science and technology spokesperson Victoria Collins.

You can't claim

Under the government plans, digital ID will be available to all UK citizens and legal residents but only mandatory in order to work. It will be optional for students, pensioners or others not seeking work.

And then say 13 - 16 year olds will be part of it. Just how many 13 - 16 year olds are in paid employment in the UK in 2025?

Spot on
It's all lies and 100% state over reach

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 15:57

The government don't even record data on the number of 13 - 16 year olds in paid employment. They aren't liable for NI and only have to pay tax if they go over their personal allowance.

EasternStandard · 10/10/2025 16:26

RedToothBrush · 10/10/2025 15:54

Defending the plans to consider the inclusion of 13 to 16-year-olds in the scheme, Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper told LBC: "Everybody has forms of digital ID... We all have different ways of having to prove who we are.
^^
"Lots of 13-year-olds already do [have a form of digital ID], and what the department is going to be consulting on is exactly how that should be taken forward.
^^
"I do think that this is the right way forward, to have this standardised process now, and it's something that we had been already setting out for people who come to work from abroad.

AND

"The Liberal Democrats said the consultation on offering digital ID to 13-year-olds showed they had been right to warn about "mission creep".

"It's frankly sinister, unnecessary, and a clear step towards state overreach," said the party's science and technology spokesperson Victoria Collins.

You can't claim

Under the government plans, digital ID will be available to all UK citizens and legal residents but only mandatory in order to work. It will be optional for students, pensioners or others not seeking work.

And then say 13 - 16 year olds will be part of it. Just how many 13 - 16 year olds are in paid employment in the UK in 2025?

Insanity, concur with the fuck off below. I will be glad when they’re out.