Labour isn't working - Thread 10

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Land tax dodge using Trusts ooo

He owned the toolmaking factory he worked in. So far as I know it was a small business. But he owned it. He wasn’t an employee.

Please please god this freak will be out
just read the post re dickhead and the 3 blind mice hope not too cryptic that’s been taken down
take a look in YouTube black cabbie spills the beans on KS 3 well known truths in the cabbie community
he and his wife are toast
he has a illegitimate
hes bi

I'm drafting a letter to MP at the moment. I will put in there the suggestion that if Starmer is so convinced the people agree with him on ID cards, we should have a referendum.
As we have discussed, there is no mandate, nothing in the manifesto and no real reason to have them.
I'm still watching news outlets for what the left hand is doing though.
Oh and apparently, the majority of votes added to the petition are from labour constituencies. Whodathunkit?

I know that signing the petition and even marching doesn't force the government to listen to us. Believe me, I know!

But what else can we do?

This does seem to have a lot of opposition - not just in the general population (cross party) but also amongst MPs. If we make enough noise we might embolden those MPs who see the dangers to actually represent their constituents / act in accordance with their own moral view instead of slavishly following the party line..

It's how democracy is meant to work. Individual, human MPs thinking about the laws being passed and representing the interests of their own constituents in the house. We vote for a person to represent us, not for a party to whom we give unlimited power.

I'll never forget the Rebel Conservative MPs who stood up to their own government, to stop Boris Johnson from pushing through the EU withdrawal bill without parliamentary debate.

Moral, courageous MPs who put their belief in democracy - and their deeply-felt responsibility towards their country - ahead of their own best interests.

When I waxed lyrical about the UK being a strong democracy, and that our history and values protect us, that's what I was talking about.

She was very critical of Angela Reyner in a previous interviews, when Unite suspended AR's membership.

Labour mayor sought visas for Bangladeshi family and friends:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/47ba1bfbaad5b502

Enfield Labour Council and the tactical blind eye that allowed Mohammed Islam to be inaugurated as Mayor - already knowing he was being investigated for abusing his position in using official and doctored letters with the council's crest to secure immigration visas for friends and family in Bangladesh.

There seems to be a lot of leeway to behave badly among Labour comrades.

I genuinely think that this government term will mark the end of the Labour party.

@strawberrybubblegum cant come soon enough

Then there's the pre-election promise to pay tax on his £1million+ pension he will get from being DPP, so publicly financed which was very quickly reneged upon becoming PM. I haven't forgotten or forgiven.

I am increasingly concerned that the government will melt under the increasing pressure to massively increase spending to improve the popularity of the party and just leave the tab with the tax payer and beleaguered businesses.

I agree completely.

I think I misunderstood an earlier post about democracy. I took it to mean that the petition had a legal effect, which it doesn’t beyond prompting a debate in parliament.

But I now see that the point being made - rightly - was that this stupid policy has come out of nowhere and runs against social and democratic values deeply held in the UK.

I really don't envy the next lot. It's going to have to be austerity 2.0 on steroids. Look at the shambles the Wilson govt left the country in and the painful aftermath.
I still think an IMF bailout will happen before easter.

I do also think that the petition against ID cards is likely to be persuasive: not even the dunderheads at the top of Labour are that blind to history and to principled voter opposition.

Starmer has already derided it yesterday. Can't remember his exact words, but something along the lines of "statistically it's a few disgruntled voters and the majority fully understand and back our plans" Cheeky barsteward!

Yeah, I was listening to Alister Heath on Triggernometry talking about how the austerity that will inevitably hit, through one mechanism or another, will make the one which followed from the 2008 financial crash look like nothing at all.

I shouldn't have listened to that podcast. You know some things just get under your skin and won't go, it's like a terrorising ear worm.

Oh dear! In that case they are even stupider than I was willing to give them credit for.

My god he is arrogant. Please let this be the end of him politically.

This whole tax free pension for Starmer I cannot get my head round. I didn't realise he had promised to pay tax on it but now won't . Wtaf

He’s on kunessberg now

Here you go. This explains it.

Starmer slammed for 'U-turn' which lets him keep his OWN tax break after vow to scrap it

Just watching it. DH has put the remote out of my reach.😙

They probably know by now that they will only be in power for one term. So will just put through anything and everything that they like. Regardless of if it was in their manifesto, how popular/ unpopular it will make them, how much it will cost the tax payer or put the country into never-ending debt. The mess will be left for whoever takes over from them next time. The next government will inevitably have to introduce austerity measures (which is what the Conservatives had to do the last time they took over from Labour), in an attempt to fix the finances and will get blamed for doing so by Labour and their supporters.

I’m in no doubt this digital ID proposal will cost a fortune, will go over budget and be another reason they try and rinse the tax payer more. Even though the vast majority of us don’t want it! And I don’t trust them to hold my data securely. They managed to leak the details of thousands of Afghans, who were fleeing the Taliban. Having access to a single data point of every working adult in the country will be a hackers dream.

If you are against the digital ID scheme like I am, there is a petition that has been running for a couple of days. Please sign and let your friends know about it. It’s easy to find on Google and has already reached 2.1 million signatures in a matter of days. I’m hoping it will reach 3 million by the end of the weekend.

Slow Horses. It’s a masterpiece!

The latest season has just started (1 episode a week) so if you go back to the beginning and watch the previous ones you’ll be able to jump into this one before it concludes.