Why was it mostly men on the march?

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I've seen quite a few photos of the march yesterday, and they pretty much all look like the one below. Vast majority men. Why is that? Why is Robinson's patriot messaging and call-to-action landing mostly with men and not women?

Voting by sex wasn't massively different in the last general election - men were certainly more likely to vote Reform, but not by a huge amount, so generally politically we're not that different.

Though we adore them individually, we agree that as a group they’re rather stupid

Palestine Action are a registered terrorist group (because they damaged a plane on an RAF base), so the majority of the arrests were due to participation in the protest being seen as supporting a Terrorist organisation under the Terrorism Act, not specific acts of violence. 17 arrests were for assaults of police officers.

What was the attendance at the first two events? Presumably, the number for the protests in support of Gaza is the total of many, many marches?

Quick Google suggests 2 million at Notting Hill Carnival.

Why did you mention the Carnival, out of interest? It’s not a protest.

Yes, so far. Just like any of the other gatherings mentioned, there may be an increase in these numbers over the forthcoming weeks. I'm not sure the unite the kingdom arrests will topple the Palestine action figures, but time will tell. Violence or disorder is never acceptable regardless of the perpetrators.

Notting Hill Carnival - used far more active policing measures which would result in arrest - facial recognition, metal detectors, stop and search. Arguably, they looked more, so they found more.

No it's not, it's supposed to be a celebratory and fun event which makes it worrying that there were that many arrests. Why would someone want to go to a carnival and cause trouble.

I agree with you @BisAttack, that violence and disorder are never acceptable, whatever the event or political affiliation.

I think the Gaza arrests were just for last weekend. I think it was something like 750 arrests for supporting a terrorist group, 17 for violence and the rest were for other offences.

Oh of course, those dangerous, elderly infiltrators with their cardboard and sharpies.

Not quite in the same league as Y-L’s thugs.

No idea. Very different police intel and tactics used there.

The same reason that it's mostly men who start fights in pubs, smash up cities after football matches, and shove fireworks up their arses.

Testosterone.

A certain type of man sees this as a way to get themselves fired up and go out and prove their "manliness" 🙄 by shouting at people, throwing things, and climbing on statues.

Women generally don't want to (don't have a need to) be in that kind of environment, and also have more empathy and realise that this kind of behaviour is intimidating to others and they don't want people to feel like this.

I've seen a fair few black people on social media this weekend talk about how they were avoiding central London on Saturday because they were scared of being targets. It's really very sad, but it's the same meatheads who enjoy a football fight or pub brawl. Then they feel buoyed by numbers and egg eachother on.

I can't imagine how any of these specimens find partners, they are surely repulsive to anyone with any dignity.

This is disingenuous and you know it.

Palestine Action protesters were deliberately acting to be arrested to highlight the absolute ridiculous of arresting people for sitting on the floor silently holding a sign.

There was a huge difference in the demeanour and intentions of the Palestine Action protesters and the Tommy Robinson sheep.

I get you but it's to do with the classification of the group they were supporting, not the individual protestors. If the organisation or cause they are protesting for is classified as terrorist group, even peaceful protestors can be arrested for turning up and supporting the cause.

SYL's organisation has never been prosecuted under the terrorism act and so is not considered an enemy of the state. Therefore, protestors have to be arrested and prosecuted for individual offences, as their right to demonstrate is protected under law (ironically they want to get rid of this under reform's scrapping of EHRC).

People supporting a terrorist organisation like PA are generally sheep. Who the hell supports a terrorist organisation

I completely agree. You don’t see people that support Tommy Robinson breaking into MOD spaces and causing millions of pounds worth of damage. Only idiots from Palestine Action behaved like that.

Nah, his EDL mates are too busy being prosecuted for sex crimes against children.

No I can’t! I was commenting on clips I’ve seen around and about, as you well know. They’re not hard to find, look yourself and don't be so demanding.

As I mentioned in my post earlier in this thread, 70,000 men and women (and a few children) marched against Jew-hatred in London the weekend before the Tommy Robertson march. There was just one arrest - of someone who assaulted someone on the march. It is perfectly possible for there to be large gatherings of people without resorting to violence. It just depends on who's gathering together, doesn't it?

Yep - 100,000 at trans pride at the end of July. I'm not aware of any arrests.

I think we all know why the Carnival keeps being mentioned ...

A peaceful protest is one when no police officer is hurt doing his/her job. Breaking somebody’s teeth/nose, causing a head injury is opposite of peaceful. 25 arrests is just a starting number, the expectation is that there will be more.

So by your reckoning no protest can truly be " peaceful ", even if the vast majority of attendees don't commit acts of violence or cause disruption? You're edging towards an authoritarian state if you really believe that; where the right to protest is banned and freedom of speech is curbed. Is that really desirable? I do agree though, that any act of aggression is despicable, whomever it comes from.

Are you saying that the police lied about being spat at and assaulted at the Palestine protest which was supporting a terrorist group?

Those 3 specific figures/venues were posted as a meme on SYL's social media, so that poster is just parroting the propaganda they've swallowed.

Interesting though that they didn’t march for this kind of thing under Sunak/johnson - who were very heavy on allowing vast amounts of immigration to hide the fact Brexit decimated many essential services of staff - because if they were marching ref ineptitude, they were kings of it - plus corruption of course - but nope this bunch stayed silent on the marching front because hey - they got Brexit done. The right wing are very very well funded and determined to get their own bozos back in the job - despite the fact I can pretty much guarantee a year of Farage and he would have done nothing positive or progressive of note