Why was it mostly men on the march?

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I've seen quite a few photos of the march yesterday, and they pretty much all look like the one below. Vast majority men. Why is that? Why is Robinson's patriot messaging and call-to-action landing mostly with men and not women?

Voting by sex wasn't massively different in the last general election - men were certainly more likely to vote Reform, but not by a huge amount, so generally politically we're not that different.

Because, I would say the Tommy Robinson meet ups do tend to attract a minority who will cause trouble. That’s no secret. It’s just not worth the risk to go into London when these marches take place. As I’ve said I’m no Tommy Robinson supporter, but I agree with the anti immigration sentiment. My way of raising the issue though is lobbying my local MP, as do many people I know. I know that local MPs will report back to the government any trends they are seeing in respect of voters’ concerns.

If you say so. I don't think that I'm as likely to be considered such by non white people as the beloved SYL you so stoutly defend though, so I'm happy with that.

PS if you get reported for this, it wasn't me. I'd rather let it stand.

The problem with holding a demonstration and a counter demonstration on different days is that people from both sides will still rock up on the day that isn't "theirs" and if not planned for, that is a problem.

I didn’t personally see any and I wouldn’t have brought young children myself but there may well have been. I saw a few kids on the UTK march but not loads and only boys. Obviously only a snapshot.

But you asked the question, and I gave you one of the ways, which you have now refuted! To be expected though, seeing as I don't believe your question was asked out of genuine curiosity in the first place.

I think the trouble is that ##% are brutal fascist wankers, ##% are sweethearts with legitimate concerns, and ##% a bit of a mix of all sorts of things, and estimating the ##s is anyone's guess. The fact that a rally like this was so well attended does not necessarily mean that everyone is turning into Tommy Robinson, but obviously does indicate strong feelings on some complex issues. Personally I feel comfortable with drafting letters and taking a more verbally reasoned approach to things that concern me, but not everyone has that facility with words and if their views are not heard they can be drawn to whoever appears to represent them, however superficially.

I read that both marches were to end at the same place but with a neutral space separating them which is asking for trouble. They should have had their marches ending at completely different places in London.

Because it isn't "one of the ways"!
It was genuine curiosity actually, but it's not anymore. It's clearly just imagined bullshit and an excuse to point fingers.

It was always so. The problem is that people like YSL point the finger and say "this is your enemy and the cause of your woes", they are believed and bad things happen, while the real causes are never addressed.

There you go. Thank you for dropping the act; it's tiresome and it doesn't work anymore.

Sorry what is this act supposed to have been? And how have I dropped it?
There's only so many times someone can ask for a simple explanation of something you say is obvious. Either it's obvious and you can outline it for us, or it's not real.

I'm not suggesting that Japanese people couldn't be racist.

I'm suggesting that no-one would write a list of negative insults and stereotypes based on the appearance of the Japanese protesters - because that would be racist. It is only acceptable to do that (to some) when the protesters are white British.

My grandpa - referring to another time and place that he experienced directly - said that the line is always drawn between the people who believe it when politicians tell them that all their problems are all down to those immigrants, and the people who see the political capital to be made from making people believe that lie.

Faux naivety. That's another one. You're ticking all of the boxes here.

Careful with those insults. Don't you try to silence me!

unbelievable that it’s’ right wing fascists’ according to those in power - sure there were some rwf but there was also a lot of pissed off British - I can’t believe that they think by spouting this nonsense that they , those in power, will magically make this problem disappear. 50,000 were expected but 110,000tirned up. But nothing from Starmer -what planet is he on

But if I don't take that risk and stay at home, that might give the impression that there is no counter argument. The other side gets all the publicity and it gives an impression that no-one opposes their view. We live increasingly in an age of optics, and this stuff matters more and more. Also, I'm not letting a group that purportedly is pro free speech make me feel that I have to stay home. I agree that lobbying your MP is a way to go, but our last MP was crap so maybe that's put me off a bit!

Did the night end with any bother in The Angerstein?

Not until the night before when he mentioned it she didn’t. As I said we don’t talk politics that much in our family and didn’t realise how he felt about going to the March as he hadn’t expressed it. His a man of little words to be fair.

She was pretty annoyed to be honest. The amount of times she has wanted to go to a busy event in London and he has declined because he doesn’t like crowds. Then decides to go to this.

Just musing out loud, not trying to pick a fight (!!! but cowering under a rock !!!), but I think it's easy to dismiss unease about the erosion of British culture in a way that we wouldn't do with, say, the traditional culture of Bhutan. It's easier looking at an external society like that and thinking, oh, isn't it nice that they've preserved it by limiting tourism.

Things are changing rapidly and it is progress of sorts, and it is the way of things in the modern world, and hopefully it will all end up being OK, but in some places it has has resulted in people no longer feeling at home in the place they grew up, and you can't blame them for feeling weird about that, especially when they are told to just shut up and get on with it.

Men from a certain background. Frustration with poor living standards, frustration with politicians not representing them, frustration with poor public services. Scapegoating those with no power at all for these problems. At the same time a surge in toxic masculinity and “protecting” women and what they perceive to be their resources. We can call them all thick thugs but unless politicians start to really grapple with what is happening then they’re sleep walking into a Reform Government.

Well there has been yet another statement that working class school kids in Britain are getting the worst result of any group -I’m sure that we’re saying that when my kids were in school 20 years ago - but no one cares - when so much is given to immigrants -bound to cause anger -but let’s just do nothing, pour money into London- call them right wing troublemakers if they complain

The starting point with any discussion on immigration is to look at the data.

People seeking asylum under their UN Convention rights are only a small minority of immigrants (13%). And not all people seeking asylum are granted leave to remain.

In 2024, most immigration was temporary study visas (419k) and work visas (369k). Work visas include health and care workers, seasonal work visas (e.g. to bring in harvests) and skilled workers, who are sponsored by their employer.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2024/summary-of-latest-statistics

300,000 is a million more people in 3years -you really think the uk can afford to increase the population by a million every 3 years - that’s a million more homes every 3years, umpteen new schools,hospitals - that’s all going to be fine is it?

My Nan used to say that too. She lived in East End of London in 1930s.