No-one is mentioning Trump's stroke

[CharlotteCChapel]

It's like tumbleweed out there. During the live televised 9/11 remembrance service Trump's face drooped on one side.

No-one in the mainstream media seems to be mentioning it.

Ive only seen it mentioned on IHIP and the Meidas Touch.

No, he wasn't.
Only people with equally grotesque views would call him good.

Nobody seems to have blamed Ms Hortman. They directed their criticism at Gov Walz. I don’t see how it’s equivalent and it’s a MASSIVE reach in order to draw some sort of equivalence.

Let me rephrase: he was a good man who held views you don’t like.

I'm not digging at all, I'm calling you out on exactly what you said. I'm talking about Charlie Kirk as the victim. Unless you don't think he was a victim, you know, just a white man and all that... And as an aside, seeing as he has been mentioned in this thread, Trump.

I'd like to know what this catch all word "Left" actually means also.

Anyone other than the "right" Right maybe?

The polarisation is so evident, but maybe comes in part from a FPTP system (like America and UK) that doesn't allow for any power to filter down to moderates, centrists, or just plain different voices. Maybe?

Yes it’s being accepted / normalised. Think about teen dc now seeing adults online revel in violence. It’s what we’re teaching them.

A good person doesn’t want to take voting rights away from women.
A good person doesn’t believe a rape victim should be stopped from having an abortion.
A good person doesn’t believe empathy is made up.
A good person doesn’t believe school shootings are just collateral damage.

Honestly it’s terrifying the lack of respect for women and children have been shown on this forum

Where is all this "revelling"? I'm not seeing any of it. Perhaps you could signpost?

From my perspective, it’s not so much that people care if you think he or Trump are good people.

Thats peoples opinions.

But I’ve honestly been horrified by the unadulterated glee I’ve been seeing across SM.

The fact that people think they are the ‘good’ people is the problem.

Advocating/celebrating someone’s death, or harm to them, or to their health, because they said things you don’t like makes them ‘bad’ people too, and they genuinely don’t see it. They genuinely think they have the high ground/are morally superior.
And they’re absolutely not.

Obviously I’m discussing it here, but this isn’t a comment on this particular thread.
But the first thread I saw about CK shooting/death exemplified what I mean, so it’s definitely on mumsnet too.

He was a good person, sorry you believe these bad faith interpretations of his beliefs.

Blue sky. Twitter. Facebook. Here (the thread that was deleted was horrendous).

If you’ve not seen it, you need to take the hands from your eyes.

Russian and Chinese bots are to blame for stirring the pot. That's a fact, ask anyone.....

Why do people post this blank stuff. You’re on a thread where posters have said sadly not a stroke or good if so. Or happy days when a politician dies.

Just reading about Oxford Uni Guy revelling in death of CK. How are you missing it, it’s on the thread.

Well X is a cesspit all the time so that's par for the course.
But you've failed to actually demonstrate any of it, so I suppose you see what you're looking for. I'll take your word for it (with a pinch of salt of course).

Do good people mock the deaths of people, refer to qualified people as lacking “brain power”, or believe intense oppression is better for some groups and call for women to avoid life choices that increase autonomy?

Are good people anti-semites that promote anti-semitic tropes?

blogs.timesofisrael.com/kirks-murder-cant-erase-his-antisemitism/

What good things did he do.

Have you read this thread? Or the Ck ones?

A free pass on what? He should never have mocked Bidens health struggles, that just shows him up as a terrible person.

I can't stand Boris Johnson and the history books should rightfully show he was one of the worst PMs we've ever had the misfortune to be lumbered with. But it didn't occur to me to whoop and cheer gleefully when it looked like he might die from COVID.

Who did he mock the deaths of? Sounds very unlike him tbh. Link it.

Yes agree totally. Plus Trump is desperate to get the Nobel peace prize, which given the rhetoric he used regarding the awful assassination of Charlie Kirk (I didn't know him and abhorr his polarising 'debates'), seems increasingly unlikely - he seems to forget that he desires it, which is another worry.

Or he could have had blood tests taken from there or be on blood thinners and banged his hand off something.

Alternatively, he wasnt a good man but he happened to hold views you apparently agree with. HTH

The thing is, even if you were to give examples, then it would be ‘cherrypicking’ or ‘pushing a narrative’ or they’d start attacking the source or whatever.

It’s all so predictably tedious.

Yes. It isn't "revelling" to not pretend he was an angel now that he's dead. Words have actual meanings.

There’s a lot I disagree with Kirk on, tbh.

I’m pro-choice, for one. Yet even I can recognize he was a good person.

What do you think you're calling out though? Me referring to white men as white men?
This thread is primarily about trump, he isn't a victim.